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Originally Posted by Ken-Young
again its all about marketing and hype. I am 100 percent sure jolla is way before ubuntu in case of ready smartphone but then again they seems to miss one thing marketting
Frankly, I think that everything you need to know about Jolla's future can be learned by comparing this page:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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http://jolla.com
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Let's see... Ubuntu apparently will release a beta version of their phone OS for developers (running on the Galaxy Nexus) this month. Jolla will release their N950 version for developers to use - never, apparently. Ubuntu has an SDK and sample native app available for download at their website now. At Jolla's website, you can view a collection of twitter posts.
again its all about marketing and hype. I am 100 percent sure jolla is way before ubuntu in case of ready smartphone but then again they seems to miss one thing marketting
Both companies seem to have a beta version of their code running on an existing phone, which looks nice in a demo video. What makes you so sure Jolla is way ahead of Ubuntu?
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Originally Posted by Ken-Young
I do not know who launches first but I have much more hope in Jolla. I do not like Ubuntu distro, would not use on my PC today use Mandriva (ROSA version), before use Ubuntu would have to go through, OpenSuse, Fedora, Mageia and several others. Unity sucks!
Let's see... Ubuntu apparently will release a beta version of their phone OS for developers (running on the Galaxy Nexus) this month. Jolla will release their N950 version for developers to use - never, apparently. Ubuntu has an SDK and sample native app available for download at their website now. At Jolla's website, you can view a collection of twitter posts.
Both companies seem to have a beta version of their code running on an existing phone, which looks nice in a demo video. What makes you so sure Jolla is way ahead of Ubuntu?
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Originally Posted by diogotrc
I agree - Unity sucks. I abandoned Ubuntu and went back to plain vanilla Debian on my laptop for exactly that reason. But Ubuntu on the desktop actually exists. Ubuntu has on the order of 10 million users. Is Jolla, which has exactly zero end users now, really preferable to Ubuntu just because they haven't released anything to hate yet?
I do not know who launches first but I have much more hope in Jolla. I do not like Ubuntu distro, would not use on my PC today use Mandriva (ROSA version), before use Ubuntu would have to go through, OpenSuse, Fedora, Mageia and several others. Unity sucks!
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We have the core! MER is the core.
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2013-02-11
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Originally Posted by diogotrc
Not just the Mer, Sailfish OS also uses some parts of Nemo Mobile. And MeeGo Harmattan softwares in Qt/Qt Quick can be easily ported.
We have the core! MER is the core.
So, today, everybody can develop :
- libraries, CLI softwares, etc, for Mer/Sailfish OS;
- GUI softwares in MeeGo Harmattan/Nemo Mobile and easily port to Sailfish OS.
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Python, C/C++, Qt and CAS developer. For Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish :
Integral, Derivative, Limit - calculating mathematical integrals, derivatives and limits. SymPy - Computer Algebra System.
MatPlotLib - 2D & 3D plots in Python. IPython - Python interactive shell.
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Sailfish : Sony Xperia X, Gemini, Jolla, Jolla C, Jolla Tablet, Nexus 4. Nokia N9, N900, N810.
Python, C/C++, Qt and CAS developer. For Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish :
Integral, Derivative, Limit - calculating mathematical integrals, derivatives and limits. SymPy - Computer Algebra System.
MatPlotLib - 2D & 3D plots in Python. IPython - Python interactive shell.
-- My blog about mobile & scientific computing ---
Sailfish : Sony Xperia X, Gemini, Jolla, Jolla C, Jolla Tablet, Nexus 4. Nokia N9, N900, N810.
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Originally Posted by rcolistete
If you go to the Sailfish wiki, to learn how to start developing for Sailfish, you are presented with the following message:
Not just the Mer, Sailfish OS also uses some parts of Nemo Mobile. And MeeGo Harmattan softwares in Qt/Qt Quick can be easily ported.
So, today, everybody can develop :
- libraries, CLI softwares, etc, for Mer/Sailfish OS;
- GUI softwares in MeeGo Harmattan/Nemo Mobile and easily port to Sailfish OS.
Application Developers / Build a Sailfish App
It's early days for building applications on Sailfish OS; at the moment you have to build your own copy of QtCreator and then work with the people in #jollamobile on IRC.
We are using Qt with our Sailfish UI components and soon you will be able to download our QtCreator plugins that will automate this for you.
Why, after all these months, have they not bothered to bundle up these components, and provide something like a virtualbox image with the required components so that persons wishing to develop for their platform don't have to roll their own SDK?
BTW - the #jollamobile IRC channel is about as active as a cemetery.
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
So you know for a fact that they've even bothered to read/answer some of it?
Take it easy people; the questionnaire is in the process of being answered and with FOSDEM taking up their time + illness (Stskeeps) its not been easy
So relax and wait for it; the answers will come definitely... They care
I hope they're not taking the attitude; "Oh well, they can just wait till MWC for SOME answers." Starting to feel like deja-vu again :-/
Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Not a entirely bad idea, so put it in the relevant doc or communicate it to them...
Ofcourse this should open technologys so they can be ported to whatever OS people use on desktop. But atleast on start it should support KDE. Both KDE and Jolla would win alot to cooperate on this.
Originally Posted by herpderp
PC form-factor or hybrids aren't going anywhere anytime soon, many folks will continue to have more than just a smartphone or pure tablet.
in the smartphone era lots of your users don't even have a PC.
Supporting KDE would be a waste of resources, as the userbase is so very small.
Originally Posted by ajalkane
From what I've read so far, Sailfish is just as open source....
But is Sailfish any different than Ubuntu in this regard? In fact, isn't Ubuntu better here. From all that's been read Sailfish core UI is closed source
Except Jolla will have some closed stock apps, so they can differentiate from other vendors that want to use Sailfish, or so they can license their flavour of Sailfish.
Agree with all your other points though, esp. the part about eventual collaboration, I really hope that happens, & in a genuine/comprehensive way.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Eh? They're targeting more than the N950, & the basis for Sailfish (Nemo) has been available for yonks now.
Jolla will release their N950 version for developers to use - never, apparently.
Ubuntu has an SDK and sample native app available for download at their website now. At Jolla's website, you can view a collection of twitter posts.
Agree about Jolla's site though, if it's a reflection of their UX_design & coding prowess, I'm worried.
Both companies seem to have a beta version of their code running on an existing phone, which looks nice in a demo video. What makes you so sure Jolla is way ahead of Ubuntu?
That changed in the last week or so, now it'll supposedly be as early as October...
Besides, these guys aren't direct competitors (initially at least), Ubuntu's made clear that they're focusing only on the low-end.
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Not really true to argue they have zero, one could argue that they certainly have more mobile chops than Ubuntu, by virtue of Maemo/MeeGo/Qt_mobile etc.
Is Jolla, which has exactly zero end users now, really preferable to Ubuntu just because they haven't released anything to hate yet?
Originally Posted by Ken-Young
Again, see my earlier response, this is coming at the end of this mth, this was all covered at FOSDEM.
Why, after all these months, have they not bothered to bundle up these components, and provide something like a virtualbox image with the required components so that persons wishing to develop for their platform don't have to roll their own SDK?
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Ken-Young,
They had an initial idea of how to release the SDK but the feedback they garnered made them realize that they needed to change a few components. Eventually open-sourcing those things they didn't intend to keep open has taken them time.
I'm not for defending Jolla but I rather they release something that's "proper" and upto expectations instead of doing an initial release that puts off those very developers they intend to attract for sustainability.
Anyway the jury would be out on them in ~2weeks when they release the Sailfish Alpha SDK; hopefully it is up-to many people's expectations.
They had an initial idea of how to release the SDK but the feedback they garnered made them realize that they needed to change a few components. Eventually open-sourcing those things they didn't intend to keep open has taken them time.
I'm not for defending Jolla but I rather they release something that's "proper" and upto expectations instead of doing an initial release that puts off those very developers they intend to attract for sustainability.
Anyway the jury would be out on them in ~2weeks when they release the Sailfish Alpha SDK; hopefully it is up-to many people's expectations.
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