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2009-08-28
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I believe it's the story of submarine patents. Ogg is not developed by a large corporate entity, so if anyone has a patent that it might break, it does not pay to sue anyone. However, even if the owner doesn't care about OSS users and is dormant, Nokia might be a tempting target to aim for. As Nokia had no part in development they can't guarantee/verify that ogg is really-really free for them to use without risks. I hope this makes sense.
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2009-08-28
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@ Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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It is Nokia's position that OGG is a proprietary format: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/09/2045200
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2009-08-28
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@ Tampere, Finland
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Originally Posted by anidel
It's the same thing what happened with HTML5 -video. Nokia is afraid that there are submarine patents. Thus, they are afraid to use Ogg. The same thing dropped Ogg from HTML5 spec.
I look forward to that as well, but I don't get it. Where's the legal issue with Ogg?
They are more willing to pay for using non-free codecs than take risks that could lead into legal fight(s) against patent trolls.
edit. Okay, seriously, I should refresh before posting...
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2009-08-28
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@ Switzerland
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If it is the community who support the OGG Vorbis, Ogg Theora and FLAC, will it be possible to make complete support (play + record + tag) in all software?
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2009-08-28
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Well according to Vorbis :
After reading the Nokia answer to W3C, no they don't support OGG because they think it's not free, quite the opposite. They don't because IT IS free.
Or better, because it lacks DRM support. They claim that the majority of quality content is not free and is currently served via non-free codecs that people THINK are free (MPEG2 and so on).
Quite an interesting point...
We make commercial, closed source software. Can I use Ogg Vorbis at all? What licensing do I need to pay?
Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications.
Or better, because it lacks DRM support. They claim that the majority of quality content is not free and is currently served via non-free codecs that people THINK are free (MPEG2 and so on).
Quite an interesting point...
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2009-08-28
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Originally Posted by attila77
OGG is a file container. I assume you mean OGG Vorbis or OGG Theora.
I believe it's the story of submarine patents. Ogg is not developed by a large corporate entity, so if anyone has a patent that it might break, it does not pay to sue anyone. However, even if the owner doesn't care about OSS users and is dormant, Nokia might be a tempting target to aim for. As Nokia had no part in development they can't guarantee/verify that ogg is really-really free for them to use without risks. I hope this makes sense.
What you state here can be said also about the Linux kernel and many other open source projects. Submarine patents are a potentional problem in every software; not just OGG.
Many corporations already use OGG Vorbis instead of MPEG 1 Layer 3 in their games. It means less royalties and better quality.
Issue does not matter much though. If all is well, this feature can be added by 3rd party.
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2009-08-28
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I've just noticed when watching the detailed specifications of the N900, that it doesn't support the Hungarian language (among others).
Does it mean that the device won't be available in my country, or it only means that it won't support the language?
If so, since Maemo is an open platform, is there any way to translate it?
Does it mean that the device won't be available in my country, or it only means that it won't support the language?
If so, since Maemo is an open platform, is there any way to translate it?
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2009-08-28
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some info about roadmap from m-r
"Maemo Device 2 end of Q1 2010, Maemo device 3 some time in 2nd half of 2010. Maemo device 3 will run next generation UI environment."
"Maemo Device 2 end of Q1 2010, Maemo device 3 some time in 2nd half of 2010. Maemo device 3 will run next generation UI environment."
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2009-08-28
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The fact that this has finally been officially announced can be directly atributed to my purchase of a n810. I forced their hand.
I did the same the week the n810 came out. A fresh n800 was delivered to me that week.
You are all welcome.
This thing looks great. Rather than crippling it by adding my corporate security on it, I may keep my crackberry for work and just grab a T-Mobile data plan on a 900 (if they'll let me do data only).
I did the same the week the n810 came out. A fresh n800 was delivered to me that week.
You are all welcome.
This thing looks great. Rather than crippling it by adding my corporate security on it, I may keep my crackberry for work and just grab a T-Mobile data plan on a 900 (if they'll let me do data only).
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2009-08-28
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@ Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Originally Posted by Venemo
Maemo is an open platform and the community is pushing for community-sourced translations starting with an attempt to check out Transifex, which looks like it would be perfect for the job. It may be too late to have Nokia/Maemo start using it officially for Fremantle, but we're interested in making it happen - for all languages.
I've just noticed when watching the detailed specifications of the N900, that it doesn't support the Hungarian language (among others).
Does it mean that the device won't be available in my country, or it only means that it won't support the language?
If so, since Maemo is an open platform, is there any way to translate it?
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