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Originally Posted by borland
Although you won't be having much fun with flash on that machine
That is absolutely not true. WindowsXP runs perfectly on 366Mhz Celeron. There is no jittering, scrolling is smooth- I use one as a file server (yes I am cheap.)
That said, XP uses 2D hardware accelerated rendering paths only for the desktop, and on the n900, surely it can use the 3D hardware to get far smoother scrolling
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Originally Posted by hallokitty
Yes, and eventually, with enough software updates (probably using Qt) maybe it will do that
Although you won't be having much fun with flash on that machine
That said, XP uses 2D hardware accelerated rendering paths only for the desktop, and on the n900, surely it can use the 3D hardware to get far smoother scrolling
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2009-11-25
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Originally Posted by kanishou
Yeah, sorry, it was very confusing, but I was trying to contrast zooming techniques of Safari and the n900's window manager. I wasn't talking about the n900's browser.
But that's exactly what the N900 browser does too. All the fluid animations, scrolling, etc are using a pixmap buffer, while the actual page rendering is happening in the background.
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That is absolutely not true. WindowsXP runs perfectly on 366Mhz Celeron. There is no jittering, scrolling is smooth- I use one as a file server (yes I am cheap.)
Anyhow what i was really getting at is that yeah a 600MHz chip is reasonably fast for a phone but its not so fast that you can rape the hell out of it with having countless processes running at the same time and still expect the program you're working with to feel smooth and snappy. Just wont happen on a 600MHz chip.
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2009-11-25
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That is absolutely not true. WindowsXP runs perfectly on 366Mhz Celeron. There is no jittering, scrolling is smooth- I use one as a file server (yes I am cheap.)
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2009-11-25
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N900 also has a lot larger resolution to move around than what is on the iPhone. I think the scrolling is really nice in the browser for example, any jerkiness that may be there (I haven't really noticed) is really just cosmetic and movement is fast.
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2009-11-25
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Originally Posted by NotTheMessiah
RISC machines do the things they do very efficiently, and each instruction takes one clock cycle. CISC on the hand have instructions that take multiple clock cycles and because RISC intructions always take one clock cycle it is easier to do pipelining.
Actually one more point on this. the 366 celeron in question is obviously x86. and x86 is a CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computer) whereas the ARM chips are RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer). This means that the x86 family has more at is disposal to get a task done, therefore will be quicker. Cant expect the same performance from a RISC architecture as in some cases it will have to execute more instructions to achieve the same computation an x86 chip could do with one instruction meaning more clock cycles get used therefore causing things to run slower.
So it isn't quite as simple as you put it.
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2009-11-25
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Originally Posted by daperl
Do you have a blog or anything about coding for Maemo?
I start Holiday and parent mode tomorrow, so the earliest I'll probably get back to it is Monday. I used it for a few hours last night and I was very happy with it. It's only about 15 lines of code, mostly inserted JavaScript. There's plenty more to do, of course. For instance, there's no instant visual cue that it's happening, so one solution is what Apple did: an opaque animated overlay that eventually becomes transparent. Anyway, I'm motivated, and maybe the same time that Bundyo sorts out all his Fremantle/Diablo stuff, I'll have something more robust to insert into Tear and take it for a spin.
I love tweaking code etc, but I'm just wondering, where do you start?
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2009-11-25
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Okay I have read through the first 21 pages of this thread and have come across a Playlist issue. I am going to ask something about the Playlist please don't eat me up if it has already been answered in the remaining pages and elsewhere on the site. After reading through 21 pages and starting to wonder if the phone I have been waiting for for 6 months is right I can be forgiven not reading further down or searching the site.
My issue is I want to use this as my mp3 player/phone. Now what is this I hear about Playlist issues! I don't intend to create Playlists on the phone. I already have my Playlists I have created using Winamp and Windows Media Player. If I drag and drop the whole of My Music folder from my PC on to the device won't it be able to see and play my Playlists? (I don't want to have to buy Zune HD and carry two separate devices and if I have to do that then there is more of a case to consider the HTC HD2 which I have ruled out due to lack of flash drive space for my music)
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My issue is I want to use this as my mp3 player/phone. Now what is this I hear about Playlist issues! I don't intend to create Playlists on the phone. I already have my Playlists I have created using Winamp and Windows Media Player. If I drag and drop the whole of My Music folder from my PC on to the device won't it be able to see and play my Playlists? (I don't want to have to buy Zune HD and carry two separate devices and if I have to do that then there is more of a case to consider the HTC HD2 which I have ruled out due to lack of flash drive space for my music)
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The "more details" you refer to is approximately the number of pixels at the edges of each character - i.e. the edge length, which is roughly the complexity of geometry calculations if the page was rendered as a big vector scene. The total increases with zooming out, not decreases, because although the characters need less detail, there are many more characters; the latter dominates. (O(n) vs. O(n^2) thing with scale).
But most renderers treat small characters differently, as prerendered greyscale bitmaps in a font cache, and draw them as little images. That's much faster than drawing the vector shape each time. Whereas most renderers draw large characters as vector shapes, because they'd take too much memory to cache as an image, and it's probably quicker to draw as a vector shape anyway - because you can take advantage of solid colour fills.
That could be enough to explain the different behaviour. But I'm not convinced. The amount of time it took to draw (quarter of a second or so) was vastly longer than the time it normally takes to draw that much area, whether as bitmaps, full colour images or vector shapes for large characters.