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2010-01-08
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Originally Posted by val580
Oh Lordy I don't. I know people who can barely use the basic functions on their phone. I can only imagine the pain and stress they'd go through trying to set up and use email and data.
I dream that everyone would have a unlimited dataplan and a smartphone (not iphone..) so we can all make free phones calls (ect) WORLWIDE.
I'm always impressed when I see someone with a 3310.
A fancy device is right for me. But last time she asked, I told my sister to get an iphone (she didn't and has had nothing but trouble with her purchase ever since). I don't expect everyone's use needs to be the same as mine.
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2010-01-08
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Originally Posted by arkanoid
Well yes, but it precisely not being able to do that makes maintaining a sane contact list out of the question. The warning is irrelevant.
I do not find it messy or risky either. It is just that simple if you keep in mind that you should not delete merged contacts if you want it to stay on the server (and there is even warning message for that)
When I'm no longer actively in contact with someone and I no longer want them to see me online when I'm away from the PC, I want to drop them from my phone contact list otherwise it gets insanely long to scroll / search through, but I don't want them gone from the server.
It's utterly daft that you can client-only add IM contacts individually but not do the exact reverse which is client-only remove them individually.
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2010-01-08
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Originally Posted by Blobster2k
Stereotypes are irrelevant. Fine for discussions but these are clear numbers. As I quoted, on a world basis, the revenue generated by MMS in 2009 passed the revenue generated by SMS in 2004.
SMS deffo... but MMS...
MMS (in the UK at least) has never caught on,
(...)
In-fact, even media portrayal of MMS has it narrowed down to a stereotype of chavs in Northern England.
SMS was considered to be big business already in 2004, yes?
In 2010, video calling is not going to be bigger business than MMS. It's not going to be a market driver for selling phones either. But for the ones who owns a phone and knows how to use it, of course it's going to be a load more of fun than sending an MMS.
That doesn't change the fact that it's not yet generating any much money for anyone. And it may not ever do, if everyone get unlimited data subs before video calling takes of.
Last edited by volt; 2010-01-08 at 15:19.
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2010-01-08
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volt the way i see it is that mms sms and video calling ,gsm calling are one way of doing something
email IM(with video call option) skype is another way.
at the mo if you can video call - you pay as part of your phone bill.(a certain amount per minute) like when you pay for mms- you pay per mms
if you im video you pay by data, when you email a pic, or postr one on a pic site or on a social network site you pay by data .most people in my country with phones like these have the web bolt on(you cant get a contract iphone without unlimited data)
the switch is between gsm to data, not mms to video calling.
Last edited by mysticrokks; 2010-01-08 at 15:32.
email IM(with video call option) skype is another way.
at the mo if you can video call - you pay as part of your phone bill.(a certain amount per minute) like when you pay for mms- you pay per mms
if you im video you pay by data, when you email a pic, or postr one on a pic site or on a social network site you pay by data .most people in my country with phones like these have the web bolt on(you cant get a contract iphone without unlimited data)
the switch is between gsm to data, not mms to video calling.
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2010-01-08
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mysticrokks, I don't know if you've gotten that a lot lately, but I agree with your last message.
And eventually everybody will start to use data alternatives instead of both SMS and MMS. The cell phone operators themselves will make this distinction less interesting on voice calls, there's a trend towards all-included subscriptions and many active users will want to move over to those. In a while, many people will only pay to be connected instead of for seperate services.
Long before that happens, Maemo will either be a mature phone operating system or a note in history.
Until this happens - and while you and I may already be there, it's going to be many years before people who rarely use their cell phones want to be there - until this happens, SMS, MMS, even WAP is technologies that people actually use in their lives. If people use it, the N900 as it is today may be too "future" to satisfy their demands. They're not the target audience either, it's not built for them.
It's not going to be a "switch", because these are not either-or services. It's going to be a migration, and some users do not care to move from a place they're happy with.
Granted, Nokia does not intend those people to use Maemo to start with. But as long as you and I know some of these people, and they know how to send/receive MMS, MMS as a service will exist.
Last edited by volt; 2010-01-08 at 16:40.
And eventually everybody will start to use data alternatives instead of both SMS and MMS. The cell phone operators themselves will make this distinction less interesting on voice calls, there's a trend towards all-included subscriptions and many active users will want to move over to those. In a while, many people will only pay to be connected instead of for seperate services.
Long before that happens, Maemo will either be a mature phone operating system or a note in history.
Until this happens - and while you and I may already be there, it's going to be many years before people who rarely use their cell phones want to be there - until this happens, SMS, MMS, even WAP is technologies that people actually use in their lives. If people use it, the N900 as it is today may be too "future" to satisfy their demands. They're not the target audience either, it's not built for them.
It's not going to be a "switch", because these are not either-or services. It's going to be a migration, and some users do not care to move from a place they're happy with.
Granted, Nokia does not intend those people to use Maemo to start with. But as long as you and I know some of these people, and they know how to send/receive MMS, MMS as a service will exist.
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2010-01-08
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yep i think you are right- we will be paying for the lot in one hit- then its immaterial what method we have to use to do something.
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2010-01-08
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Not only usually included, but MMS is intentionally part of the cellular system so if you want to send low-res pictures to people from your mobile, you knew you could even without IP access. It's seems that most people on this thread aren't aware of the giant fight that occurred many years ago over MMS interworking between different operators and some operators wanted to have their own flavor. That showed there are good reasons, user oriented reasons, to have some standards and to expect that those standards be followed.
It's usually included in most things now-a-days.. all my friends unlimited messaging, SMS+MMS. Plus, since it's supported on even the silly non smart-phones it's more or less "universal" in a sense.
Not really a huge deal one way or the other IMHO.. but why people seem adamant that the N900 doesn't get it is kind of baffling. If you don't use it, don't use.. whats the big deal? Other people do. :shrug:
I am concerned that MMS is not included in N900, while apparently OVI can't be excluded:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38813
If any other OEM excluded MMS from a mobile phone, but baked in their own apps service, I would be highly critical. But because it's Maemo, I guess I give them the benefit of a doubt due to everything else that they've done. But it seems I am having more doubts these days...
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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by loranth
Hmmm...funny, i get notifications of either failures or delivered when sending MMS/SMS. I'm with AT&T. Right now I have the Nokia N900 and I have a Touch Pro 2. The Touch Pro 2 does notifies me when the message was either delivered or failed, both MMS/SMS. I haven't found the setting on the N900 to test out, but I do get notifications. Glitch maybe???
I'm splitting hairs, but actually this is not true, while in practice it might seem so. There is no guaranteed delivery of SMS/MMS messages in the standard and if the message is not delivered, you might not get notification on this as most of the operators (at least in U.S.) do not support notification reports, which would tell when the message has been received. There is no guarantee that the SMS/MMS will be instantaneous, which is why you will see cases where some messages are lingering somewhere in the systems hours or even days before they are delivered.
So while it is true that there are far more SMS/MMS capable devices in the market than email and I think nowadays MMS is actually configured properly on most devices to work at least inside that particular operators network, there is no guarantee that it will ever be received by the recipient and absolutely no guarantee of any instantaneous delivery.
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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by Fargus
Actually I agree with the previous post, the N95 speaker volume was WAYYY louder than that of the N900. N900 speaker volume isn't great at all, could have been like the n95 since they both have two speakers. Suggestions?
The source is amplified so a weak source won't sound as loud, that same for any device.
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