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2011-07-31
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Your convincing me you don't have a clue what your on about.
We already knows that the directorsboard is not intrested in Meego. BUT what is nmore bad is that TMO is more FUD and troll forum than MrFlop atm...
To me it seems most people here WANT N9 to fail. Mayb e they have been blinded by7 Android/IOS and/or WP i dont know...
big chame for the open source community. Yes I know not all is open on N9 but still its more open than WP and IOS. and possibly Android.
If you think people including me want the N9 to fail then you really need to see a doctor !.
Support for your information can only come from the company that manufactured the device unless it passes that on to another body and in this case it has not ! rather it ceased support full stop.
MeeGo is NOT support for the N900 and neither is MeeGo CE !.
The N9 will make or break Nokia and if it does not do that it will force Nokia employee's in my opinion into a rebellion against Elop.
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2011-07-31
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They don't want N9 to fail. (well most of them don't) They are only here to get some attention.
So what ever nokia say or do its just bad. N9 is bad. Support is bad and so forth. And the most intressing part is that they are coming here over and over and over again and say the same thing
Just love it...
So what ever nokia say or do its just bad. N9 is bad. Support is bad and so forth. And the most intressing part is that they are coming here over and over and over again and say the same thing
Just love it...
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2011-07-31
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Mike, I don't share your opinion on this.
Just an example: there are plenty of people on this forum saying N900 is not supported this actually is false!
The term support is something that comes from the manufacturers. In consumer electronics, it means the following: if there is a issue that can cause group actions or damage reputation we will fix it.
As for support you are referring to, it is called FOSS. It allows end users and developers to modify the running software WITHOUT support from manufacturer. It is a freedom, true freedom.
Unfortunately Nokia has made sure that the only community that can effectively modify the firmware is a Zombie community, controlled by Nokia, which is controlled through:
- free developer device programs
- closed source binaries for drivers.
They have recruited some developers to play "support" for the "community". That support will last as long as Nokia likes it. Then, they will pull out the plug, and the zombie will collapse.
BTW: have you noticed that some prominent members have disappeared approx. at the time the N950 developer devices have been sent out.
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2011-07-31
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Originally Posted by gerbick
how old is N8xx? I mean no company will support forever. Not even Androids. And btw. Why isnt Qt supported on N8xx its opensource why is there no contribs making it work?
Since the N9 and N900 both use the same ARM processor, not too surprised there. Don't forget that the N8x0's are no longer supported for Qt. Give it time, it will happen in that area as well for the lower spec'd N900.
But no MicroB updates is a problem - can't run Google+ well/at all. Modest is open source, but no major updates there. The WONTFIX issues aren't fixed on the N900.
I wouldn't call that support. It's just yet to be considered obsolete by the frameworks you mentioned. N810 can't go above Qt 4.5 (or 4.6, I forget) and yet it runs Qt.
I'd personally rethink using the term support.
But what I mean with support is 2/3 years. In case of N900 support is N900CE and Meego that was was peopled wanted to happen for last year and also we wanted open source, Now when we have CE and open development people STILL complains wtf!!
I still say N900CE can kick asses if we get more people working on it. That means longer life for N900 and also improvement in case of Qt framework cause soon we hopefully have true opengl support in QML both on N9 official and CE
But it seems WE ALL prefer to whine more than contribute :-(
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2011-07-31
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Mike... take it easy...
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2011-07-31
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Originally Posted by daperl
w00t!
On a side note, someone has already ported Midnight Commander.
Originally Posted by abill_uk
Have you been reading anything in this thread?
OK can you please post on here some link or links to prove what you are saying? because where i stand Nokia have already stated officially that Maemo AND MeeGo has been dropped alltogether thanks to mr wonderful Elop, for WP.
Now just where are you getting this information from?.
Did you even read what Nokia said about the N9 after it is going to be released?.
I'm sorry mate, but you srsly must learn to pay attention much more.
I actually don't mind Dan/Gerbick's input, even if it's constantly very negative.
Because they deliver it with some reason/knowledge, &or wit.
And you keep accusing people of being childish, & "stirring the pot".
When that's all you ever seem to do...
I don't think I've seen you make one post, that's actually interesting/informative.
The stuff you've posted in the past 48hrs has had zilch informative value, & merely highlights how uninformed you are.
At least when Gerbick/Dan try to make an argument, they back-it-up with some logic/rationale.
I'm sorry... but sometimes it's best to think, think, & think again, before posting.
Originally Posted by abill_uk
Since when does Nokia have anything to do with when retailers/carriers release the N9?
All the links that people are posting on here are NOT from Nokia so why will anyone believe?.
Except for how soon the 1st country/retailers/carriers release it.
It'll vary immensely from region to region, & country to country, Nokia has little impact on that.
Given all the anecdotal evidence, & using basic reasoning/powers-of-deduction.
The best "guesstimates" so far...
Are that it may be as soon as late August for some countries, & the very end of Sept for others.
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GO and eat FUD, Yes, I'm pointing at you...
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2011-07-31
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Originally Posted by momcilo
What support could this community really give when it closed off source.
Mike, I don't share your opinion on this.
The term support is something that comes from the manufacturers. In consumer electronics, it means the following: if there is a issue that can cause group actions or damage reputation we will fix it.
As for support you are referring to, it is called FOSS. It allows end users and developers to modify the running software WITHOUT support from manufacturer. It is a freedom, true freedom.
Unfortunately Nokia has made sure that the only community that can effectively modify the firmware is a Zombie community, controlled by Nokia, which is controlled through:
- free developer device programs
- closed source binaries for drivers.
They have recruited some developers to play "support" for the "community". That support will last as long as Nokia likes it. Then, they will pull out the plug, and the zombie will collapse.
BTW: have you noticed that some prominent members have disappeared approx. at the time the N950 developer devices have been sent out.
I used to talk like mike when i was a 12 year old
.I am starting to think he is a kid the way he is talking.
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2011-07-31
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Originally Posted by momcilo
Yes I have noticed they have leaved but this is good for the N900CE. Cause if they start make apps for Harmattan using qt-components they can easy be backported to N900CE...
Mike, I don't share your opinion on this.
The term support is something that comes from the manufacturers. In consumer electronics, it means the following: if there is a issue that can cause group actions or damage reputation we will fix it.
As for support you are referring to, it is called FOSS. It allows end users and developers to modify the running software WITHOUT support from manufacturer. It is a freedom, true freedom.
Unfortunately Nokia has made sure that the only community that can effectively modify the firmware is a Zombie community, controlled by Nokia, which is controlled through:
- free developer device programs
- closed source binaries for drivers.
They have recruited some developers to play "support" for the "community". That support will last as long as Nokia likes it. Then, they will pull out the plug, and the zombie will collapse.
BTW: have you noticed that some prominent members have disappeared approx. at the time the N950 developer devices have been sent out.
Qt-componets is already working on N900CE means most apps for n9 can work as long as they dont use eventsystem and/or swipe.
So N900CE is alive if more contribute and test it will continue. However it will die if people with negative attitude continues too flood this and Meego.com forum with FUD and dissinformation.
Cause no devs want to contribute if TMO is negative all the time thats ALSO a reason many has leaved this crap forum
Btw. Dont blame nokia for some drivers is Closed some is thirdparty mnanufactors (like TI) decisions. Same goes for Linux on desktop where Microsoft is feeding the graphics companys and make it IMPOSSIBLE for thbem to opensource the drivers
Also there is a reason some is closed even from Nokia (battery driver is one).
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big chame for the open source community. And yes I know not all is open on N9 but still its more open than WP and IOS and true Linux. possibly also more open than Android
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