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2011-08-01 , 06:21
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Nope.
I just couldn't keep up with the interesting arguments/points you were making,
So I conceded defeat & said: "carry on".
Except that your sarcasm and wit clash but i have to admit you make some very good posts .
 
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2011-08-01 , 06:28
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Is it a conspiracy if it's public and there are provable droves and waves of people abandoning a brand for better support elsewhere? Hell, even the workers didn't make any secret of Elop's direction: http://venturebeat.com/2011/02/11/no...kers-walk-out/

Here's some more old news for review, then, just to keep in mind regarding why people are jumping ship for support reasons:
Stephen Elop says Nokia will leave MeeGo even if N9 turns out to be a hit.
By conspiracy theories, I was referring mainly to the "trojan sent by MS" angle.
Regarding that second article. Please, it's been debated to the nth degree.
We know that it's far from fully verified, that he said anything like that...

And even if he did, leaders can & do change their mind all the time, that's part of being one.
But 1st the community needs to rally so effectively*, that he has no choice but to concede it's dumb to ditch Harmattan/MeeGo-Core entirely.
It may be wishful thinking, but it's the only option we have, if we want an alternative to Android LT.

*even in the face of limitations.
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2011-08-01 , 06:31
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
Woah! Yeah, zip that up, will you?
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2011-08-01 , 06:32
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Question everyone must be asking.... what has Nokia let themselves in for taking on Elop?.
 
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2011-08-01 , 06:35
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
By conspiracy theories, I was referring mainly to the "trojan sent by MS" angle.
Ah, understandable... but man, it's one HELL of a coincidence of events if it's not an intentional plan.

Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Regarding that second article. Please, it's been debated to the nth degree.
We know that it's far from fully verified, that he said anything like that.
I certainly has been debated a lot, hasn't it? Do actions speak louder than words? I think so. We'll see. (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...s-stopped.aspx) It's debatable, too, that he's a real leader--one that could admit that he should turn the ship around.
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2011-08-01 , 06:35
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Here's some more old news for review, then, just to keep in mind regarding why people are jumping ship for support reasons:
Stephen Elop says Nokia will leave MeeGo even if N9 turns out to be a hit

So much for conspiracy. Makes buying an N9 for the purpose of "proving Elop wrong" pretty fruitless, doesn't it? Even worse, people expecting some sort of support after all these actions. Elop is either lying to them about support, or he's clinically stupid. Possibly both.

There we go.. a less light-hearted posting for ya. Seared on the outside and heavy on the cynicism, just as you ordered. In all seriousness, though, you're absolutely right on my view and the reasoning.
May I remind you, as a Finnish native having red the original article to which you are referring to, that the original printed article was pretty focused on the main modus of operation for Nokia. In context, it is understood that Elop was referring to the Main Platform for Nokia smart phones, the WM7. He was reassuring that even in the case where N9 would become extremely successful, the Main Platform for Nokia would not be the OS in the N9 - i.e. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

No other mention of the in-context small portion of the N9 and it's future, which was in the powerpoints released earlier still in the 'future disruptions' dept.
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2011-08-01 , 06:50
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Originally Posted by Mandibela View Post
He was reassuring that even in the case where N9 would become extremely successful, the Main Platform for Nokia would not be the OS in the N9 - i.e. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.
That statement alone is not good for a company that needs to come back from the depths.

It is sounding very cynical and, why can't a company the size of Nokia run the 2 together? ie WP7 AND MeeGo.

Damming statement to read from any outsider looking in so i am not suprised people are unhappy with that.
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2011-08-01 , 06:59
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Originally Posted by Mandibela View Post
May I remind you, as a Finnish native having red the original article to which you are referring to, that the original printed article was pretty focused on the main modus of operation for Nokia. In context, it is understood that Elop was referring to the Main Platform for Nokia smart phones, the WM7. He was reassuring that even in the case where N9 would become extremely successful, the Main Platform for Nokia would not be the OS in the N9 - i.e. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

No other mention of the in-context small portion of the N9 and it's future, which was in the powerpoints released earlier still in the 'future disruptions' dept.
Small detail first: You mean WP7 (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone... a detail Microsoft particularly wishes to make clear is that Windows Phone 7 is a new OS from the bottom up).

Given Elop's slobbering wet kiss to Balmer over Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft's paranoia over Linux and their long history of intentions to quash competition through agreements and contracts, I'm not convinced that you've made the headline I quoted any less valid.

Can the council or anybody in the community have the ability to ask him point-blank whether he would be publicly willing to admit that he would consider re-allocating focus and funds onto the MeeGo platform if the N9 sells above a threshold? That type of deal with the community might help boost sales and create a large, free marketing workforce so long as there is that promise of support and openness with the community--something that Nokia has been severely lacking for a long time is communication with their customers and communities. This would go a long way to repairing that very quickly.
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