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#311
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Originally Posted by ericsson
What point might that be? Use small words. Make it clear.
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2011-09-18
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
There. fixed that for you.
I got it from THE INTERWEBZ
Yes, the Register is truly the wellpool of all things Nokia. God forbid you're actually referring to the article by Andrew Orlowski, because:
a: He's been wrong so many times, I'm surprised the register keeps him as a columnist
b: even that articel has NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
My theory is a simple one.
Wrangling behind closed doors, between Elop and the board resulted in:
A decision to release the N9 as a "test the water" device, having already invested in Harmattan to the point where it was almost commercially ready when the WP strategy was announced
A determination to keep Harmattan (and Meego) as a backup OS in the event that WP is a complete failure in the high end market.
An agreement that the N9 would not be released to markets where it may impact on possible sales of WP handsets
sound too far fetched?
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2011-09-18
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha
This means Elop needs only one thing... success, and he will do ANYTHING to gain this even if it means shelving the N9 totally.
There. fixed that for you.
Yes, the Register is truly the wellpool of all things Nokia. God forbid you're actually referring to the article by Andrew Orlowski, because:
a: He's been wrong so many times, I'm surprised the register keeps him as a columnist
b: even that articel has NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
My theory is a simple one.
Wrangling behind closed doors, between Elop and the board resulted in:
A decision to release the N9 as a "test the water" device, having already invested in Harmattan to the point where it was almost commercially ready when the WP strategy was announced
A determination to keep Harmattan (and Meego) as a backup OS in the event that WP is a complete failure in the high end market.
An agreement that the N9 would not be released to markets where it may impact on possible sales of WP handsets
sound too far fetched?
Business stratagy predicts the reason the N9 is not out and his dreamboat WP gains momentum and eventuall release.
This is the very reason the N9 is doomed and even more so IF WP is a success.
So yes i agree with your comments.
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2011-09-18
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#314
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Originally Posted by gerbick
The point is that my "point" is crystal clear. I'm a simple and straight forward man, figure it out.
What point might that be? Use small words. Make it clear.
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2011-09-19
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha
Gadgetizor stated the same thing and arstechnica also cited it as the most logical explanation.
Yes, the Register is truly the wellpool of all things Nokia.
Originally Posted by onethreealpha
Could it be considered a valid 'test' when you've already announced the OS wont be supported and then you don't release the device in any markets where your brand has a following anyway?
A decision to release the N9 as a "test the water" device, having already invested in Harmattan to the point where it was almost commercially ready when the WP strategy was announced
Originally Posted by onethreealpha
Samsung, HTC and LG already make WP7 devices, everybody already knows WP7 is a complete failure in the high end market.
A determination to keep Harmattan (and Meego) as a backup OS in the event that WP is a complete failure in the high end market.
Steve Ballmer certainly knows it even if you don't.
Originally Posted by onethreealpha
Certainly doesn't add up.
sound too far fetched?
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2011-09-19
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Originally Posted by ericsson
Your posts are invariably an insult followed by an assertion (or another insult), there's never any substance or any reasoning.
The point is that my "point" is crystal clear. I'm a simple and straight forward man, figure it out.
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2011-09-19
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Of course internet blogs, sites and tech news groups never plagiarise or copy each other at all
Gadgetizor blah blah arstechnica blah blah blah brand has a following blah blah blah Samsung and LG blah blah complete failure in the high end market.
Steve Ballmer certainly knows it even if you don't.
I wouldn't suggest for a minute (if I knew what i was talking about) that the Asian market, nor Eastern europe doesn;t already have a strong brand following for Nokia. In fact it's the USA that hasn't got any real strong following for nokia devices and the UK is also seeing major falls in product sales for Nokia.
One big thing that countries like Australia and many asian Markets have is a strong link and familiarity with symbian and no interest in WP, which is why selling the N9 in these areas won;t impact on overall WP handset sales.
Perhaps you could open your mind enought to consider that all these companies you mentioned are retaining WP hadsets for product diversification? Wow. what a novel idea!
Furthermore, perhps you should also have a look at all the "announcements" made by the various CEO's and the subsequent reversals....
Elop indicated that they would not be releasing any more Meego devices, and yet previously stated they would retain it for "future disruptions" and yet as for the " no more Meego" devices, was he referring to Harmattan "Meego" or "real" meego?
If I remember correctly, LG publicly announced their GW-990 and stated they would be the releasing it, only to shelf it at the last minute and they actually had working Moblin handsets for people to play with prior to the 180.
These people talk as much shiiite as many here on TMO and all for a multitude of reasons, not withstanding outright hypocracy, including diversion and an overinflated sense of their own control, of their companies, regardless of a board that could sack their azzes in a heartbeat.
If anyone believes for a minute that Nokia isn't keeping something back, they need to go and have a good hard look at the fine print surrounding their "future Product" announcement.
Regardless of what Elop says, if WP fails, nokia will have something else, including a new CEO.
as for Ballmer, of course he wouldn;t be making comments like that to possibly scare off Nokia investors, lowering share price and making it easier for MS to buy would he?
Get with the program, develop a bit of situational awareness and most of all, stop blindly swallowing the rubbish put out by tech blogs and gadget sites that dare to pretend that their "columnists" are actually journalists.
Have a nice day
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2011-09-19
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha
You're reinforcing my points (whether you know it or not). Even if Elop wanted to introduce WP7 in the hope of appealling to the USA he shouldn't have killed Symbian and he shouldn't be undermining MeeGo.
I wouldn't suggest for a minute (if I knew what i was talking about) that the Asian market, nor Eastern europe doesn;t already have a strong brand following for Nokia. In fact it's the USA that hasn't got any real strong following for nokia devices and the UK is also seeing major falls in product sales for Nokia.
One big thing that countries like Australia and many asian Markets have is a strong link and familiarity with symbian and no interest in WP, which is why selling the N9 in these areas won;t impact on overall WP handset sales.
Originally Posted by onethreealpha
I didn't question why these companies produced WP7 handsets, just pointed out they struggle to sell them. It's not so much a case of me opening my mind as you engaging yours.
Perhaps you could open your mind enought to consider that all these companies you mentioned are retaining WP hadsets for product diversification? Wow. what a novel idea!
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2011-09-19
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
A Samsung partner called Samfirmware, which creates ROMs for Samsung devices, sent an interesting tweet in recent days. It said, "Samsung will support Windows phone till end 2012," and then later: "It's true about Samsung and Windows Phone. Windows Phone market is smaller than Samsung's own OS Bada."
Samsung, HTC and LG already make WP7 devices, everybody already knows WP7 is a complete failure in the high end market.
Steve Ballmer certainly knows it even if you don't.
Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news/...news/231601185
Originally Posted by onethreealpha
Symbian is not so strong anymore in Asia anymore--especially China and India, its former strongholds:
I wouldn't suggest for a minute (if I knew what i was talking about) that the Asian market, nor Eastern europe doesn;t already have a strong brand following for Nokia. In fact it's the USA that hasn't got any real strong following for nokia devices and the UK is also seeing major falls in product sales for Nokia.
One big thing that countries like Australia and many asian Markets have is a strong link and familiarity with symbian and no interest in WP, which is why selling the N9 in these areas won;t impact on overall WP handset sales.
Nokia China Dominance Under Threat as Sales Dive on Android
Chief Executive Officer Stephen Elop faces the dilemma of where to focus his resources: Nokia is racing to meet its year- end target of shipping its first phone based on Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Windows Phone software. At the same time, he needs to halt the decline in China as models based on Google Inc. (GOOG)’s Android software have fallen below 100 euros ($144) and started cutting into Nokia’s lower-end feature-phone sales, said Michael Schroeder, a Helsinki-based analyst at FIM Bank.
Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...er-threat.html
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A year ago Nokia started losing market share by 5-6% (of the total) a quarter. It went down from 39% to 33% in Q3 2010, then another 5% – from 33% to 28% in Christmas quarter. In Q4 2010 Nokia managed to slow the decline a bit with a boost from from the novelty and pent-up demand for terribly delayed Symbian 3. In Q1 2011 they floated on air by stuffing Nokia distribution channels in China and Europe to the hilt. Unfortunately, distributors can take and move only so much of old crappy phones, and with nothing interesting to stimulate the demand, Nokia is now paying the price. With smartphone market growing by leaps and bounds, Nokia sold 8.5 million less then they did last quarter. Nokia sales in China dropped by 53%, in Europe by 21%
Source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/07/2...r-infographic/
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2011-09-19
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Originally Posted by danramos
Dan, I'm not arguing on the decline, however stating that there is, as I said familiarity (through history) and lets face it, from a UI perspective, Harmattan is closer in look and feel, thanks to the similarity in icons and layout to anna/belle.
Symbian is not so strong anymore in Asia anymore--especially China and India, its former strongholds:
there's no doubt that Nokia is losing ground in these areas, and there's no doubt that companies like huwei are challenging their S40 market position with low cost android handsets.
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