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2010-08-02 , 21:06
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Originally Posted by imperiallight View Post
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/...ead.php?t=8976

Can always get onto the command line and run a ray tracing app.

imovie for iphone has been getting good reviews for video editing.

As apps for iPad try to take over laptop functions we will see greater complexity (desktop quality) applications.
Well, if we're going the jailbreak/rooting route, let's not forget you can install Debian (with X11) on Android, too, and run just about anything off the CLI or even in a GUI available in the Debian repos. ...so, yep!
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Come again?

I can buy those apps and I'm about as common of an user as you can get.
From the page that was linked earlier they were saying it was not yet a commercial product. (Must be an old page...) Not having an iPhone to go look in the iStore for their app, I took the manufactures word for it that they were not yet available.

Again, this isn't about ray tracing. It's about what the device (and specifically what that OS on that device) was designed to do. There is no one perfect OS that can do everything on every piece of hardware with total efficiency and 100% functionality in all device markets. Even Windows has specific versions of it's OS for phones vs netbooks vs desktops vs servers. (And may argue they miss the mark on some of those platforms as well.)

The point here is that Maemo was designed to work on tablet computers. The Nx00 series have all been tablet computers, the N900 included. I wouldn't by a Lawnboy weed whacker and argue that it's a piss-poor lawnmower, or that it should be an efficient lawnmower because it has the Lawnboy name on it. I'd look at the model number, which would clearly set it in the trimmer category, and vote that out as a potential lawn mowing device. Especially if I had acres of land to mow.

Just sticking support for a SIM and a phone app into a computer doesn't make it a smartphone. And frankly that's about all that was done to the core of Maemo to put it on the N900. For most people (like me), that limited phone functionality is enough to replace their primary phone. (Just as for some people with yards measurable in square feet, a weed whacker is a viable lawn mower). If you absolutely need all your "smart phone" functionality, this is not your lawn mower!
 
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You can run full debian on the iphone too. It's just not touch optimised in its current port.
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Just sticking support for a SIM and a phone app into a computer doesn't make it a smartphone.
I agree for once, so what are Nokia on about?

http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...andn900_228x96

Lets not kid ourselves though, the N900 is more than capable of being a decent smartphone... so why not make the effort? Leave the linux desktop side to the community and let Nokia handle what they should do best.
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Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
I wouldn't by a Lawnboy weed whacker and argue that it's a piss-poor lawnmower, or that it should be an efficient lawnmower because it has the Lawnboy name on it. I'd look at the model number, which would clearly set it in the trimmer category, and vote that out as a potential lawn mowing device. Especially if I had acres of land to mow.

Just sticking support for a SIM and a phone app into a computer doesn't make it a smartphone. And frankly that's about all that was done to the core of Maemo to put it on the N900. For most people (like me), that limited phone functionality is enough to replace their primary phone. (Just as for some people with yards measurable in square feet, a weed whacker is a viable lawn mower). If you absolutely need all your "smart phone" functionality, this is not your lawn mower!


Yeah... N900 SHOULD have been a tablet, by rights. I'm still waiting for a proper tablet to upgrade to, instead of this crappy phone.
 

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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
In the end, really...the question is--would you buy Nokia as your next phone? I might buy MeeGo but I almost certainly wouldn't buy Nokia because of the lousy support--for me, that support mainly revolved around customer support, communication, service, parts/repairs, accessories and community open-source sovereignty. Not necessarily in that order of importance.
I already have my next device: HTC Desire with Froyo as of yesterday

Apart from builtin memory and speaker quality, the Desire absolutely curbstomps N900 in everything else.

The abundance of apps, functionality packed in user friendliness currently makes this the best phone on the market next to the iPhone 4, which has less features but more games/applications.
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Originally Posted by imperiallight View Post
I agree for once, so what are Nokia on about?

http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...andn900_228x96
Hmm.. I read "It's a phone. It's a computer." at that link. I see nothing about being a "smartphone".

This has drifted off topic. Yes, you can do whatever you want with an iPhone and Droid after you break your warranty agreement and root/jail-break it. Custom ROMs, yada, yada... On the N900, you can do it naively, without using third party software to break into or replace the OS of your device.

In the end, they all have the exact same processor, and mostly the same hardware, with slight variations on manufacturer and placement. The difference is in the OS, and what that OS was designed to do.

If you don't to your homework, and choose the right device for you when buying things (because model numbers are clearly irrelevant), then it's on your own head.

Would I buy another Nokia? Sure, if that's the device that did everything I wanted it to do in the arena I was looking for. That's how I chose this device, and how I choose most things when they fall into the "expensive" category. Doing otherwise is more like gambling than buying a tool.
 
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Ah, I see PradaBrada is back!

If you were able to get yoursef a new toy, why don't you head off to the Google / Android forums?
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In the end, really...the question is--would you buy Nokia as your next phone?
Okay, maybe I'm slower than usual today, but isn't that what the OP already asked us?
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Where is the "value added benefit" from Nokia, false hopes, lacking support while having the device and aftercare i.e new OS or killing the device early is really what any animosity stems around in this thread. The absolute masses that deserted the n900 within 7 months of buying the device could have been largely avoided. It shouldn't now be worth a 1/5 to 1/6 of its original price either.

The n900 itself is a very neat and unique device albiet with terrible battery life and a terminal disease with its USB port about to fall off.
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