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	Benson	2008-02-18 , 23:21
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Originally Posted by slha89

What do I really adding stuff upon stuff upon stuff??

6xx Mhz is adequate now (look at HP Ipaqs), I only want to go with 10hz GPS, Yaw sensor, more memory and miniDVI because these one are really useful. And takes the N900 a bit into the professional area without touching the price to much.

These chips or external connector won't be that much higher priced as you might think.

I don't need 1024x600 when I travel, it's ok to have 800x480, but I can connect a usual DVI-Monitor. With DVI I can use VGA adpaters too for projectors. But if 1024x600 isn't too expensive, I take 1024x600

I'm with you there; as long as it has at least 1024xnnn video out, the 800x480 is probably quite sufficient.

And it's even ok if this device can't do too much 3D but playing full usual video formats (for example from Canon digicams, mjpeg or VDR mpeg2).

And the rest is cosmetic (key/keyboard layout) or nearly built-in (USB Host) or is only a matter of compiling mouse support into Xorg. Even the N800 does have full SDHC

So I don't know what you really mean if I adding stuff upon stuff... I don't think so, only faster CPU, better GPS, Yaw sensor, more memory and miniDVI is new. And this isn't possible end of 2008.

Add d-pad next to display
Mini-DVI
Full-SDHC, easily accessible (The N800 does indeed have this; it's not the size of the N810)
Extra miniSD slot vs. N810 (Keeping internal 2GB, and adding internal mSD)
And I assume you don't want to seriously injure battery life, so the new CPU will probably require a somewhat bigger battery.

All without making it bigger. And making it $80 cheaper, while adding various (non-size critical, but cost-adding) features like better GPS, accelerometer, and better CPU (whether OMAP3430, or Menlow + maybe nVidia GPU).

The costs are counterbalanced, of course, by the continual cheapening of technology, but I think you're adding more than that can take care of in just a year.

I just don't see it happening, but I'd be quite glad if it did.

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Navi	2008-02-19 , 00:03
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nVidia does not provide low power, low profile graphics solutions. If we are talking Intel, it's likely to have an underpowered Intel graphics chip. The PowerVR SGX within the OMAP3430 is one of (if not) the best when it comes to mobile graphics.

I'm highly against any x86 processor due to the amount of heat generated and power consumption by an x86 core. Intel's ULV line (including the Menlow) shows that an x86 CAN get relatively low compared to other x86 cores, but only by butchering said core's performance and speed.

Accelerometers are tiny and very possible. Personally, I'd go for full sized SD cards again rather than Mini/Micros because they're cheaper and higher capacity. GPS could use an improvement

Originally Posted by Benson

Perhaps that's what Modulok meant, but if the libraries are binary compatible, just not all installed/available from default repos, I'd consider it a binary compatible system...

Old libraries should work as long as there were not filesystem structure changes or did not depend on a certain kernel. However, they may conflict with other libraries and newer apps that require a newer library.

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Modulok	2008-02-19 , 09:15
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Originally Posted by jussik

Huh? Binary incompatibility was lost because maemo started using eabi. Now Debian eabi is gathering steam, so Debian binaries will again be usable. Like I said, I don't find that particularly interesting myself (I bet the recent OpenEmbedded work is much more useful), but the compatibility will be there.

Can you please explain what you mean in writing? I'm really bad at understanding handwaving (I was particularly lost with the "good of the community" part)

http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/index.de.html
http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/

ARM (arm)
First officially released with Debian 2.2. This port runs on a variety of embedded hardware, including the NSLU2.

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	Benson	2008-02-19 , 19:36
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Originally Posted by Modulok

http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/index.de.html
http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/

ARM (arm)
First officially released with Debian 2.2. This port runs on a variety of embedded hardware, including the NSLU2.

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OppositeOfIgnorance	2008-03-30 , 17:03
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my biggest problem with the n810 is the internal memory

MiniSD and MicroSD blow
its not like we're short on space, normal SD's WOULD fit inside it

but u idiots at nokia chose not to put slots in
YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE!

way to take a step back

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	johnkzin	2008-03-30 , 17:52
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Honestly, I'd rather have MicroSD than full size SD. And while I would agree that MiniSD is a waste, I don't see any justification for calling the nokia designers and engineers "idiots". All that's going to get you is dismissed as a child.

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	ysss	2008-03-30 , 17:55
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or to be rebranded as OppositeofIntelligence..

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OppositeOfIgnorance	2008-03-30 , 17:57
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HAHAHAHA nice

i am a child
and yes i say dumb things when im mad

but that doesnt excuse them for putting a fullsize sdhc over a micro sd
fullsize sd's are cheaper and hold more, and they're not much bigger (and its not liike theres a shortage of space)

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	GeneralAntilles	2008-03-30 , 18:03
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

Honestly, I'd rather have MicroSD than full size SD.

Dual-MicroSD slots would work for me in lieu of dual-fullsize.

Originally Posted by OppositeOfIgnorance

but that doesnt excuse them for putting a fullsize sdhc over a micro sd
fullsize sd's are cheaper and hold more, and they're not much bigger (and its not liike theres a shortage of space)

Something makes me think Nokia's hardware engineers know what they're doing just a bit better than you.

Last edited by GeneralAntilles; 2008-03-30 at 18:07. Reason: Oops, had to upgrade TucoSpell to version 2.7

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	johnkzin	2008-03-30 , 18:17
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles