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2009-01-12 , 20:41
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Sorry, but are you smoking something?
There's something being passed around in this Maemo Community Council that seriously affects social skills.

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Nokia have a responsibility to aim for popularity: higher popularity == more device sales == higher profits.
I didn't claim anything else (then). I just said ragnar's statement "Popularity is a practical measure for success" isn't always true, but only if you aimed for popularity. (Which I, for example, don't. I go for quality. So for my work, popularity is not a measure of success.)

But speaking of it:
Nokia don't have a responsibility to aim for popularity. They have a responsibility to aim for profit. Profit can also be achieved by dominating niche markets, not only by catering the masses and aiming for popularity. (Actually, at least in my business, it's much easier to be profitable in niche markets than it is in the mass market.)
 

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I had, at one time, set up the Wiimote to control my Nokia remotely. I mapped out the buttons so that could pretty much do everything with it, too. Something like that without the mess of vomiting a tar file all over my root directory would be nice as a start.
Exactly, where's the tarundo when you need it. For that matter, where's the transactional undo for everything in my bash history. In the end though, it sounds like your remote had a wii-bit too much power... and I'm really sorry for that last bit.
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I think that was a reference to the installation procedure, not to consequences of using the Wiimote.
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Originally Posted by Benson View Post
I think that was a reference to the installation procedure, not to consequences of using the Wiimote.
I dunno. It felt more like anecdotal free association to me and I decided to go with it. But I'm wrong so often that up might be down at this point. Not sure.
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It was a reference to the procedure indeed.. but I did enjoy the involuntary groaning his reply managed to compel from me.
 
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It was a reference to the procedure indeed.. but I did enjoy the involuntary groaning his reply managed to compel from me.
Yeah, your original post went about 20,000 feet over my head. And still climbing. But I'm compelled to respond to anything that mentions "root directory tar vomit." I should probably have that checked. Thanks you two for the heads up.
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Nah. Thoughtful, but too busy. I think I've got; it has the right number of syllables and it's inline with "doing the opposite": Costanza. And yes, it will have a touch-pad with braille-friendly inserts on the battery cover.
The only problem is that something called the Costanza would put more work into not working than in simply doing what it should do.
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The only problem is that something called the Costanza would put more work into not working than in simply doing what it should do.
You're right. I think I was too caught up in the "doing the opposite" thing; he was on the path of a Zen Master in that episode. Maybe that's what I was going for.
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Can we agree that Ragnar highly regards the iPhone? I would further guess that his respect is both inside and out. And I will go one step further that he would have Nokia duplicate it if he/they could. Big ifs, I know. But that's how his posts read to me. Anyway, if all that were true and forgetting a stow-away keyboard for a second, my 12 buttons would go to 4 (home, power and +/- volume on the iPhone). So to call 12-down-to-4 "some UI tweaks in their software" would be misleading and false. As would calling my skepticism doom-and-gloom. Again, only if I'm guessing correctly. Nokia should just say something new here.
I think the iPhone has a really good touch optimized UI for a mobile device, yes. From what I've seen from the Palm Pre, it's also very high up my list. No, given the power I wouldn't want to emulate or duplicate iPhone - there is no point in duplicating something that already exists - but rather learn from the positive aspects and take steps that go forward from it.

If I would have the power - and I don't really, only to a small extent - yes, I would try to make touch UI's agnostic of device hard keys, since that enables designing and creating better touch UI experiences. It is not to say that hard keys are bad. Nothing is bad or good as such, it's only how and why something is applied. Hard keys are better than touch keys in certain purposes: for fixed functions, things like text input etc.

Then again, in some previous post there was something like "there are different use cases: keys only, stylus only, mixed use". I don't think that is valid. Those are not use cases, that's looking from the opposite direction. The controls are not use cases: the functions do you with the device are the use cases, and then you can have suitable control schemes for performing these functions.
 

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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
I didn't claim anything else (then). I just said ragnar's statement "Popularity is a practical measure for success" isn't always true, but only if you aimed for popularity. (Which I, for example, don't. I go for quality. So for my work, popularity is not a measure of success.)
Agreed, but note ragnar used the word Practical which means 1 a: of, relating to, or manifested in practice or action : not theoretical or ideal while what you (and I) prefer to use is far more theoretical taking tons of factors into account. For e.g. a shareholder this isn't easy to work with.
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