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	Texrat	2009-09-25 , 21:53
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

I think operators will be a major on this field and Nokia have to think about it. For instance in case of Vodafone Nokia from now have to remove own services (OVI contacts, OVI store etc) from operator handsets and embbeded Vodafone services. The same story later will be for Orange, T-Mobile, O2 and others. So customer base for OVI will be shrinking (i mean potential customer base)

I've criticized Ovi for needless failures myself but Nokia still has a chance to make it succeed-- although the window is quickly getting smaller.

The best way to make it happen (after fixing embarassing flaws, which is actually taking place) is to make the service so damned attarctive that customers loudly demand it from their providers. But of course success is more up to Nokia's execution than anything... so far not so good.

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	Texrat	2009-09-25 , 21:54
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

Corporate market is so small. You are kidding me. Story behind Eseries (first 2 year) wasnt successfull, the same for BB devices (they have sales only for 1 year - in volumes). From the point when they make more mass market devices...

One word: Blackberry.

It isn't so much about market size at the high end (ie, business) as it is about margins + loyalty. You should know that.

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kanishou	2009-09-25 , 21:56
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Originally Posted by kopte3

@jandmdickerson, @Laughing Man, @bbin
There is no "jailbraking" in N900 case.
I was just too bored to write anything more than that.
BTW I'm 4 years old. :P

Officially unsupported customisation of an open system is the same thing as jailbreaking, only legal.

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	allnameswereout	2009-09-25 , 21:57
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

allnameswereout
I dont said that i activate debug mode on my devices dont see any reason, I have to check how they work in normal modes

Either the binaries come with support for that or not. Check you exec file /usr/bin/file does it say stripped or not stripped?

Did you run PowerTOP?
Think no, what's that?

Software to analyse power usage of specific drivers and binaries.

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livefreeordie	2009-09-25 , 22:00
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

livefreeordie
i wont say that but at this moment OVI is failed, not completely but Nokia have to think about re-launch it in future

It hasn't been doing too well, unfortunately. I don't understand how it's taken them this long to get it working, and still don't have any really useful features.

Ngage is dead again (second time)

Maybe, but games can still be sold on Ovi along with everything else if the store gets more popular.

OVI Share wont be develop strongly
A lot of development come to integrate Facebook, Twitter and some others non Nokia services. It means that own services are failed (again, not completely)

I don't understand this, either. Supporting third party services is good, but Ovi Contacts should be under much more heavy development (maybe it is, in secret?).

I think operators will be a major on this field and Nokia have to think about it. For instance in case of Vodafone Nokia from now have to remove own services (OVI contacts, OVI store etc) from operator handsets and embbeded Vodafone services. The same story later will be for Orange, T-Mobile, O2 and others. So customer base for OVI will be shrinking (i mean potential customer base)

You're right, but this crap makes me sick

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	dansus	2009-09-25 , 22:01
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

Guys from Maemo team see that the last stable FW with moderate usage (online services, WiFi, contact lists etc) generate one crash per day (under crash i Mean reboot of device).

Originally Posted by Michal Jerz

The device, even though the hardware is marked as proto (and called Nxx rather than N900) and the firmware is quite an early one, is ROCK STABLE. This is actually one of the things that amaze me THE MOST. I got the device on Sept 3rd or so, been playing with it DAILY for almost three weeks now, and it didn't crash A SINGLE TIME! I remember that one of the apps froze once, but it was just that app, not the entire system; it was enough to shortly press the Power button and select "Close current task" from the menu. That's it.

It's one of the most stable devices I've ever used, even in its current proto state.

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	qole	2009-09-25 , 22:04
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The source for dansus' quote:

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopi...=368144#368144

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Laughing Man	2009-09-25 , 22:06
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

I answer in previous post about Apple. Is not a player of whom Nokia have to care now. Next 2 years it will be a battle between Nokia and Samsung for global dominance. I'm not sure who will win this war. Too much unclearance. Now Samsung is really aggressive (Corby, Touch Phones, Connections with carriers - like Vodafone 360 etc).

I'm not as concerned about the hardware (there's enough hardware makers out there that make interesting and powerful hardware). It's more the software or operating system of the phone that I'm interested in. For example, what will Samsung use as their OS? A closed OS only limited to their phones like Apple? Android, already running on several devices with more always being announced Heck maybe even Maemo.

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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...

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livefreeordie	2009-09-25 , 22:09
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Originally Posted by eldarmurtazin

livefreeordie
looks like chat

netbooks are dying, they are moved to normal notebooks segment (at least in terms of price). It was a good move to market but now game are changing again. The same story was on handset market before.

So netbooks take some market share, but wont be dominante power on it.

Corporate market is so small. You are kidding me. Story behind Eseries (first 2 year) wasnt successfull, the same for BB devices (they have sales only for 1 year - in volumes). From the point when they make more mass market devices...

You're somewhat right about the netbooks, but on the other hand that wouldn't be the only product category. Maemo will be able to do both the basic phone tasks and the general purpose computing tasks, which will increase the user base and... HANG ON, why am I trying to explain this. I'll just quote the RX-51 first look article:

"The market will require vertical OS, which can be applied in cell phones, communicators, laptops and MID devices, i.e. various device types with different architectures, performance levels and so on."

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	YoDude	2009-09-25 , 22:32
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eldarmurtazin Welcome aboard. It has been a pleasure reading your posts on this board.
like qole, I am also sorry that I can not read or write in your native language, thank you for your efforts in mine.

Whatever happens in this thread please check-in on this forum often. Your unique insight on a variety of topics that are discussed here would always be welcome.