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maxed4901	2010-05-01 , 16:02
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Thanks donchichi
If nokia target spreads little more into Asia, I would be much happier....I live in Maldives....I need FW from where I am so....NOKIA....GET ON WITH IT

Patola	2010-05-01 , 16:02
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Originally Posted by RenegadeFanboy

Could you stop for just a minute with the rage?

Maybe only if you stop with the obvious, blatant unawareness that Nokia has gone out of its way to disrespect its customers?

First of all, while I do look forward to some of the bug fixes in PR1.2, it is not even a minor version - it is a major one, coming with Qt 4.6 and application development compatibility with MeeGo and Symbian 3. This will change everything for our beloved N900. It will give us Shazam, it might give ppl things like separate Skype app (I love the integrated one), it will multiply the available apps for Maemo 5.

No, it won't. It did two months ago in Scratchbox and a few days ago in HK. It's more than enough to have been tested extensively.

It's not in the future. PR1.2 has been available internally (see the bugfixes dates) for a very long time. It's a great sign of disrespect from Nokia towards its customers. If I lived in Europe or the US I'd try to find some law that would allow me to sue Nokia for the unavailability of this update. In my country, I would have some merit to that based at least on false advertising (the bugzilla records, the availability of PR1.2 on scratchbox and so on). Too bad I can't do that because I imported it from the US and it is not released here.

Second, there is a huge difference between preloading a firmware in the factory and making it available for seamless OTA update. (Update being the crucial one - like not destroying your existing data and apps, right?)

Huge? I don't think so, you get almost the same code as before (e.g. PR1.1.1), you have to make a few adjustments, maybe a little extra effort for QT 4.6.2. If this argument had some merit, they would delay the previous PR the same. deb packaging is pretty robust and can handle this situation very well.

Third, I couldn't find any proof that the Chinese PR1.2 is the same as the regular PR1.2 for us.

...nor that it is different. So you can't assume one side or the other.

They might needed to create a separate branch to quickly rush handwriting support and char support stuff in there.

So the HK release is not stable, is that what you think? When you say that they rushed code, all your arguments about testing time fail, because you are now justifying releasing early.

Yes, I want the PR1.2 also. But I don't want to blame Nokia for a supposed PR1.2 running on the Chinese release.

It's running now.

Please explain to me, I never got it. Why do some people here insist in justifying the unjustifiable? Isn't it pretty obvious by now that Nokia is utterly and completely wrong for delaying PR1.2 to us, their loyal customers? Isn't it obvious that it's dumb, because they lose developer and power-user momentum by this? Isn't it pretty much the most obvious thing in the world that Nokia is not worth any protection whatsoever from anyone and should start right now apologising, correcting and compensating for that?

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nosa101	2010-05-01 , 16:09
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Originally Posted by optimistprime

The word is spelled "spelled", not spelt. Please go back to third grade grammar class.

Think one is English and the other is American

Laughingstok	2010-05-01 , 16:21
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Originally Posted by hedgemonsta

I am extremely offended. i didnt get to see your photo. you had sobered up and removed it. not fair.

It was a video and it was probably too racey for this forum.

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SirMuttley	2010-05-01 , 16:21
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Originally Posted by optimistprime

The word is spelled "spelled", not spelt. Please go back to third grade grammar class.

jesus christ, some people here really need to grow up.

Oh and "spelt" is perfectly fine in British english :P

maxed4901	2010-05-01 , 16:25
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Originally Posted by Patola

Please explain to me, I never got it. Why do some people here insist in justifying the unjustifiable? Isn't it pretty obvious by now that Nokia is utterly and completely wrong for delaying PR1.2 to us, their loyal customers? Isn't it obvious that it's dumb, because they lose developer and power-user momentum by this? Isn't it pretty much the most obvious thing in the world that Nokia is not worth any protection whatsoever from anyone and should start right now apologising, correcting and compensating for that?

Well...I used a Sony ericcson some 5 years ago,.,thought it was the best thing for a mobile....but then i met nokia n95..cool mobile..easy to use...filing configuration....what to say...fell in love with nokia.

Then shifted to N86, E71 and then finaly, on a cold day, crossing the market,met my dream partner..the N900..didnt even read the catalogue or ask the dealer what it does or not...just bought it there and then...cz when you say NOKIA, there WAS nothing else left to say..its all there,,,its a complete partner.

From the day i bought it, cant mms, if i use fmms, it might cause the fone to breakdown...seems its ok by nokia cz they have it in applications. I am father of 1 lil angel toddler, my wife is in Sri lanka and i live in Maldives to work.She used to send me pictures as mms. I soothed my daily life with it and after N900, miss seeing my daughter so much that i have almost taken a hating to the black THING. Cant get OVI store...Cant get Mozilla fire fox. according to the fone, its maemo 5, version 3.2010.02-8.002. Isnt that the latest?

Still, expecting the PR update, bcz m also reasonable and understand that it may take little time to develop the N900...but now as you say,,,its disrespect that NOKIA has shown to its customers. I cant accuse NOKIA cz I shud have seen the review before i bought it but then again, even old hogs cross the street...how long will it take for NOKIA to cross the street?We dont have product return office in Maldives. Otherwise i May as well have it returned..

geneven	2010-05-01 , 16:26
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Originally Posted by Patola

Please explain to me, I never got it. Why do some people here insist in justifying the unjustifiable? Isn't it pretty obvious by now that Nokia is utterly and completely wrong for delaying PR1.2 to us, their loyal customers? Isn't it obvious that it's dumb, because they lose developer and power-user momentum by this? Isn't it pretty much the most obvious thing in the world that Nokia is not worth any protection whatsoever from anyone and should start right now apologising, correcting and compensating for that?

I'll be happy to explain this to you.

Let's pretend for a moment that PR1.2 was first released to your favorite country -- presumably, the one you live in.

You immediately install it and run into a reboot loop, which you manage to repair after a few hours of work.

Three weeks later, Hong Kong gets PR1.2 and it doesn't have the reboot problem, which has been fixed.

Do you promise you wouldn't immediately start posting messages complaining about having been made a guinea pig and asking why Hong Kong got better treatment?

The moral is that being first isn't always best.

We don't know how long it will be before we get PR1.2.

It is premature to be insulted by this release order.

oskarmat	2010-05-01 , 16:28
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Originally Posted by Dave999

i am?

nice

no, you're not. Chuck Norris can speak english

maxed4901	2010-05-01 , 16:30
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GOD KNOWS....Oh and yes...NOKIA WOULD KNOW
Too bad, they are hiding in the dark....anybody got stones?

Patola	2010-05-01 , 16:33
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Originally Posted by geneven

I'll be happy to explain this to you.

Let's pretend for a moment that PR1.2 was first released to your favorite country -- presumably, the one you live in.

You immediately install it and run into a reboot loop, which you manage to repair after a few hours of work.

This is not a good explanation because I already answered this issue in my original post: (1) there has been more than enough time for them to test, (2) it's in production quality at least in scratchbox and (3) the HK device. Plus, (4) bugfixes, as given in the changelog of PR1.2, do not carry such a big risk of bricking, and (5) the only major new feature is QT 4.6.2, which would not take too long to clean up also.

So you have at least 5 reasons why your argument does not apply and I can think more than that. As I said before, if this argument had any merit, PR 1.1 and PR 1.1.1 would also have had this huge delay.

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