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	pichlo	2016-01-04 , 20:44
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Originally Posted by billranton

It may not be a matter of cheapness. Their relationship with that manufacturer may now be so damaged that they couldn't get any more made.

It is possible. If they alienated the manufacturer to the point that he was trying to get rid of the burden by selling it directly at production cost, I can imagine that he does not want anything to do with Jolla again. This is where diplomacy comes in. Come crawling back begging if necessary. We all know how good Jolla is at diplomacy, let them put it to good use.

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	Dave999	2016-01-04 , 20:53
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I just realized that I was ordering a Jolla tablet back in 2014. I had totally forgotten about it until now. How is it coming along?

Wake me up When you got Some solid news.

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billranton	2016-01-04 , 20:59
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Originally Posted by pichlo

It is possible. If they alienated the manufacturer to the point that he was trying to get rid of the burden by selling it directly at production cost, I can imagine that he does not want anything to do with Jolla again. This is where diplomacy comes in. Come crawling back begging if necessary. We all know how good Jolla is at diplomacy, let them put it to good use.

I think it'll just be a matter of risk and cost. Jolla will have already made them a loss by only being able to pay for small production runs and not paying for a long time. Any further runs may have to be at a greatly increased price per unit, to compensate for this and offset further risk.

att	2016-01-04 , 21:21
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Originally Posted by billranton

I think it'll just be a matter of risk and cost. Jolla will have already made them a loss by only being able to pay for small production runs and not paying for a long time. Any further runs may have to be at a greatly increased price per unit, to compensate for this and offset further risk.

And then there is the debt restructuring. I don't know what is its current status but unless it is suspended they cannot pay old open invoices because they are frozen. In debt restructuring all the creditors are required to be treated equally. Thus if Jolla has not payed the tablet manufacturer for earlier batches before it applied the debt restructuring it cannot pay those without suspension or without court approved debt payment schedule. It might take some time to sort that out.

juiceme	2016-01-04 , 21:40
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Originally Posted by ZogG

Originally Posted by Bundyo
This is understandable, as N9 didn't have working Android drivers for everything (at least not in the open).

What was not working in Nitdroid? i think it was almost fully supported and as sailors are exnokians with some intel and exp, why not do it if few people did port nitdroid almost fully functional?

It seems to me your memory is goldening[*] the old times

Not much anything is working in nitdroid, just about the only thing it has is display+touch+wlan and the very beginnings of ofono stack, with just sms and data connection working.

When compared to Nemo on N9 it is puny indeed, I recall the latest HW adaptation has pretty much all peripherals integrated already.
And where you have Nemo, you are only a step away from SFOS

[*] goldening, gildening, whatever it is called...

	Copernicus	2016-01-04 , 22:15
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Originally Posted by juiceme

[*] goldening, gildening, whatever it is called...

I think "gilding" is the current spelling...

mscion	2016-01-04 , 22:22
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

I think "gilding" is the current spelling...

Yes, one could also say "looking at the past through rose coloured glasses" but, of course, that never happens here..

aegis	2016-01-04 , 22:31
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Originally Posted by pichlo

Does he stop being your friend? Not necessarily. But you no longer think of him as someone you can rely on in time of need.

Thankfully/unfortunately I got to this point before the tablet campaign but you've nailed it pichlo. I don't think Jolla's behaviour is intentional. They're just under resourced and stretching too far for their aspirations, laudable though they are.

We've all got friends like that. They promise they can do X, fail, but we still love them all the same because their heart is in the right place. But would we lend them money or rely on them? No.

aegis	2016-01-04 , 22:51
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Unless I missed something, the ST Ericsson plan didn't involved libhybris and Android drivers. The N9 port of Sailfish didn't either. Both used native linux drivers.

Libhybris solved the problem of ST Ericsson ceasing native Linux development and Nokia not updating the existing drivers needed for a more modern kernel on the N9. Jolla were stuck with old binary blobs they couldn't update. Being able to run dalvik on top more easily is a bonus.