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2012-06-23
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Originally Posted by nieldk
Only a technicality. If you all agree to put each others' names on the shortlist, is that any different from putting your own names on the shortlist? No.
No council member granted themself an award I can asure you, each submission were reviewed on equal terms.
Besides, when it comes to conflict of interest, creating the appearance of one is as bad as the real thing. The very fact that the judges of the competition received awards in the competition is enough to establish that something isn't right.
As long as a single qualified candidate is denied an award in favor of a councilor, someone's been wronged - and in this competition, qualified candidates were repeatedly passed over so the judges could award themselves.
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2012-06-23
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This thread is frigging crazy, and it proves why we cannot have shiny things. Back when Karma was used as the threshold to receive or not a device, no one complained as loudly, despite karma being a much more lousy indicator of "contributions".
The winners list certainly has some rough points, but generally I am OK with it.
E.g., from _all_ the people on the candidates list, I only ever used software/contributions from qole, luke-jr and MAG, and from those only MAG has been selected.
Despite the fact that this is a "Fremantle-biased" council according to this thread, they have selected only the arguably most Harmattan-oriented candidate of those three ....
Subsidiarily, the community council has volunteered to give a lot of their free time to the community. And believe me, it is a frigging lot of time, I've been a councilor once. Plus this term they will have to engineer and start to execute the transition from Nokia-paid maemo.org to community-paid, a monumental task to say the least.
If this is not grounds for a community award then I don't know what is.
The winners list certainly has some rough points, but generally I am OK with it.
E.g., from _all_ the people on the candidates list, I only ever used software/contributions from qole, luke-jr and MAG, and from those only MAG has been selected.
Despite the fact that this is a "Fremantle-biased" council according to this thread, they have selected only the arguably most Harmattan-oriented candidate of those three ....
Subsidiarily, the community council has volunteered to give a lot of their free time to the community. And believe me, it is a frigging lot of time, I've been a councilor once. Plus this term they will have to engineer and start to execute the transition from Nokia-paid maemo.org to community-paid, a monumental task to say the least.
If this is not grounds for a community award then I don't know what is.
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2012-06-23
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Originally Posted by nieldk
Sorry but you've got me wrong. I do think there was a conflict of interest when the Council is the judge and contestant. qgill didn't give your'll a go ahead he just said to Estel to decide for himself...isn't that an indication he didn't seem to think it was right?
Finally you get it
There is no way any councelar can convince the (few) people firing here.
The same people would be flaming, yet with other arguments, if the council members did not get any awards.
But, perhaps you will just get lucky, and this thing will die with the community?
I for one will stick and fight for this to the end to keep what we have, hopefully more and better.
Wish the good people fighting here would spend their horses the same way.
The reason the Council is being asked to be held accountable is due to members here thinking that with the exception of some recipents (SD69, MAG etc.) a number of recipents were undeserving compare to itsnotabigtruck and e-yes. The members feel that the Council should have made way for these two members if they couldn't resist the other candidates as after all these two are more deserving in the larger scheme of things.
In no way do I want to be disrespectful to anyone here. The feeling I've like some others here is that the Harmattan community was side-tracked for a lasting gift for some of the old boys. Not that we see the Harmattan community as being different from everyone else but that is the general impression we're getting from the Council's decision and follow-up responses.
Again, I repeat that I am raising my opinions...you may disagree after all thats life but I would like to hear your views on this...a healthy discussion is always beneficial for the community...
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2012-06-23
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Thanks Javispedro :-D
This thread is frigging crazy, and it proves why we cannot have shiny things. Back when Karma was used as the threshold to receive or not a device, no one complained as loudly, despite karma being a much more lousy indicator of "contributions".
The winners list certainly has some rough points, but generally I am OK with it.
E.g., from _all_ the people on the candidates list, I only ever used software/contributions from qole, luke-jr and MAG, and from those only MAG has been selected.
Despite the fact that this is a "Fremantle-biased" council according to this thread, they have selected only the arguably most Harmattan-oriented candidate of those three ....
Subsidiarily, the community council has volunteered to give a lot of their free time to the community. And believe me, it is a frigging lot of time, I've been a councilor once. Plus this term they will have to engineer and start to execute the transition from Nokia-paid maemo.org to community-paid, a monumental task to say the least.
If this is not grounds for a community award then I don't know what is.
my 2 €cents: council needs a reference exemplar of each maemo hw anyway, as otherwise how T F are they supposed to know what they're supposed to talk about?
Now my notion about all this thread: It's definitely one of the most toxic things to community at large I've ever whitnessed. I'd happily see the whole friggin thread getting closed for good.
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2012-06-23
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javispedro,
i respect your views but dont you think that by giving all 4 council candidates the devices before they've done the ugly work that we presume will be required is fair to the two devs who deserve it for work they've already done and will continue for the community?
Edit: also doesn't this bring about the issue of conflict of interest? most people here are generally OK with the list but the two omissions due to Council taking all 4 devices they wanted is what has hurt.
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i respect your views but dont you think that by giving all 4 council candidates the devices before they've done the ugly work that we presume will be required is fair to the two devs who deserve it for work they've already done and will continue for the community?
Edit: also doesn't this bring about the issue of conflict of interest? most people here are generally OK with the list but the two omissions due to Council taking all 4 devices they wanted is what has hurt.
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2012-06-23
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Originally Posted by joerg_rw
HAHA that is funny hehehe we do need some fun on here somtimes so thankyou for that one
Thanks Javispedro :-D
my 2 €cents council
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2012-06-23
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So what. It's a device. Go and buy one if you didn't get one!!
So tired of seeing this thread in active topics and no new arguments are presented! The council knows your point.
I vote for OFF TOPIC!
Plus, while we are at it. I want to see Texrat as President and dictator of TMO.
So tired of seeing this thread in active topics and no new arguments are presented! The council knows your point.
I vote for OFF TOPIC!
Plus, while we are at it. I want to see Texrat as President and dictator of TMO.
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2012-06-23
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
They know it, but they don't 'get' it. That's the problem. They are the ones responsible for this mess. Had they acted differently, we wouldn't be 'wasting' time on this. All I've seen is individual council members trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility by suggesting that it's down to the rest of us to ensure they don't act in an inappropriate manner ('you should have complained beforehand' etc). It's a cop-out.
So tired of seeing this thread in active topics and no new arguments are presented! The council knows your point.
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i appreciate you're a big name among the community but using your mentioned two numerical measurements isnt that unfair when you're here for much longer than itsnotabigtruck or e-yes. after all, jalyst has a higher count in both but didn't self-nominate himself as he felt there were more deserving candidates.
i dont want to be disrespectful but could you enlighten me on how else can i find your contributions?