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2009-09-15
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#352
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Originally Posted by crustie
And you can't think of any recent examples from history, say of a new OS, without things like MMS support, VoIP support or universal UI rotation support, that have been at least fairly successful?
And realise that it's only by eliminating all barriers to entry for newcomers to adopt the maemo OS, such as the lack of MMS, no voice over 3g network, no portrait support, no one-handed support, newcomers will continue to have a lot of reservations about investing so much money and time in learning a new OS.
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2009-09-15
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#353
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Yes I do, but that phone does now
And you can't think of any recent examples from history, say of a new OS, without things like MMS support, VoIP support or universal UI rotation support, that have been at least fairly successful?
Keep up! Switching to this phone should feel like a step forward, not a step back...
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2009-09-15
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#354
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Originally Posted by crustie
Well, but it sold n millions copies without having MMS, for instance. Do you think there has a been a horde of consumers, on the fence, thinking that "if only it would have MMS support, then I would buy it in an instant!"
Yes I do, but that phone does now
I think not.
It is not so much about having any individual feature than it is about the overall experience. Naturally there are different market segments: once exhausting/fulfilling the segment of "the tech leaders / early adopters", so to say, then if you plan to target the "middle segments", then adding features like MMS comes more important.
But you have got to start somewhere. And somewhere is not trying to target everyone at once. You can start with a smaller set of features and sell that set to the segment willing to buy it, then at the same time winning time to build up more features. Surely that should be plain to see.
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2009-09-15
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#355
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I have not used MMS since 2004 theres free ways to share media these days, why throw away money 
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2009-09-15
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#356
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Originally Posted by NvyUs
What is MMS? Is this some '90's retro thing?
I have not used MMS since 2004 theres free ways to share media these days, why throw away money
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2009-09-15
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#357
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Originally Posted by NvyUs
I got 3000 free MMS per month - and the receiver pays nothing. Clicking a link or checking your email goes on your dataplan and will cost you in the end thou, which is why I mostly MMS funny pictures I take with my n95 camera instead of posting online/emailing from my phone.
I have not used MMS since 2004 theres free ways to share media these days, why throw away money
Each to his own thou - I've preordered anyway and I expect to learn about the MMS standard unless someone else implements it..
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2009-09-15
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#358
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Originally Posted by frals
nothing is for free you pay one way or another the only time you get supposedly free MMS is if you subscribe to a monthly price plan or long term contract, its never actually free its just bundled in with other stuff and said to be free, its modern day dishonest marketing
I got 3000 free MMS per month - and the receiver pays nothing. Clicking a link or checking your email goes on your data plan and will cost you in the end thou, which is why I mostly MMS funny pictures I take with my n95 camera instead of posting online/emailing from my phone.
Each to his own thou - I've preordered anyway and I expect to learn about the MMS standard unless someone else implements it..
btw it costs nothing to use WIFI and it also doesn't actually make a dent in your data plan if your on a decent 3G tariff
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2009-09-16
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#359
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Originally Posted by NvyUs
AMEN! I've never felt more ignored in my life. Public relations with the new users sucks, to put it lightly. I don't care though. I'm here to shake things up and move Maemo forward. You should just ignore the closed minds and focus on those willing to see the vision of Maemo's future users.
I read in another thread how you want to integrate new users and get blogs to link them this way but after reading last 10 pages this is not a place for new people like me b/c old users all just gang up and pat each other on the back and belittle the opinions of newbies who are giving serious feed back.
some old users are taking the critiscm way too serious, this is thread for people to give opinions on improving the portrait support not for you to defend why its not needed.
this is not on attack on anyone in peticular and i must add some old users here see how important it is to have portrait mode but others just go all out defensive
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2009-09-16
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We already know portrait mode isn't used in most of the apps at this point and Nokia knows there's a decent amount of you that want it. There's not much point in rehashing all that (whether or not I agree with you on if it's needed/important/etc...)
What those of you that want portrait mode should do is try to organize yourselves so that you can get what you want.
Those of you that are programmers can start looking at the open sourced default Nokia apps and start working on patches that can be given back to Nokia for integration in later updates.
Those of you that are designers can start looking and UI ideas for existing apps and see what designs and ideas the portrait users seem to like best. (There's a chance that I can put you in touch with a few people that can help with this in a few weeks.)
Those of you who are end users without those specialized skills can offer your services for testing and giving your opinions on what the programmers and designers are working on. Also, get in touch with the people behind some of your favorite 3rd party apps and tell them how important portrait mode is to you. (Those of you that want to help with testing and are new to it, don't be shy. Ask and we can help you learn how to use Bugzilla, proper testing procedures, etc...)
If you want portrait, be proactive about it. Just posting in this thread isn't going to be enough alone. Make it happen. And even if you think some of us old users are trying to put you down, I think you'll see quite a lot of us will be more willing to help than you might think.
Last edited by zerojay; 2009-09-16 at 02:16.
What those of you that want portrait mode should do is try to organize yourselves so that you can get what you want.
Those of you that are programmers can start looking at the open sourced default Nokia apps and start working on patches that can be given back to Nokia for integration in later updates.
Those of you that are designers can start looking and UI ideas for existing apps and see what designs and ideas the portrait users seem to like best. (There's a chance that I can put you in touch with a few people that can help with this in a few weeks.)
Those of you who are end users without those specialized skills can offer your services for testing and giving your opinions on what the programmers and designers are working on. Also, get in touch with the people behind some of your favorite 3rd party apps and tell them how important portrait mode is to you. (Those of you that want to help with testing and are new to it, don't be shy. Ask and we can help you learn how to use Bugzilla, proper testing procedures, etc...)
If you want portrait, be proactive about it. Just posting in this thread isn't going to be enough alone. Make it happen. And even if you think some of us old users are trying to put you down, I think you'll see quite a lot of us will be more willing to help than you might think.
Last edited by zerojay; 2009-09-16 at 02:16.
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And realise that it's only by eliminating all barriers to entry for newcomers to adopt the maemo OS, such as the lack of MMS, no voice over 3g network, no portrait support, no one-handed support, newcomers will continue to have a lot of reservations about investing so much money and time in learning a new OS. Compound that with the lack of good app market, this ham-strunged maemo is almost condemned to be a niche tool until the next reiteration can address some of the potential newcomers' reservations.
Last edited by crustie; 2009-09-15 at 17:42.