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quipper8 is offline quipper8
2011-08-09 , 19:01
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#3661
Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Nonsense. The US has 96% usage. Europe has has more than 100%, more like 120-130% on average (1.2-1.3 phones per person). Europe is definitely saturated, as is Russia, Argentina, Brazil and so on. That's where the N9 is going.
It really is not nonsense. In the American model of mobile phone usage, most people do not have more than one device used on the same plan, hell, on the largest US carrier, Verizon, you cannot use two different devices on the same plan without calling to customer service which entails a nice long hold time and then a nice long conversation to explain to the 'service' representative that yes, you actually own your devices and can switch between them. Verizon is also CDMA and does not use sim cards except for a few models.

Given above, in addition to the carrier subsidy model which often includes two year contracts, in addition to the preference of americans for iphones, it does seem the American market is saturated and of no real benefit to Nokia currently.

When verizon switches to LTE(which will operate more like GSM folks are accustomed to) and the carrier subsidy/contract model is defeated in the US, then Nokia may have a chance here.

In my opinion, Nokia is using a a type of cross-plot of carrier power(ie where people are more likely or not to buy or even be able to buy unlocked sim free devices) on one axis and market potential on another axis in deciding where to market and release such a device as the n9.

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
And if the carriers say jump, the entire population asks how high, and there is nothing Nokia can do about it. Sad but true. Only one man has the guts to face them and show them the finger, and that is Steve Jobs.
Not really true, Jobs has always dealt with carriers preferentially, first giving ATT exclusivity not selling any unlocked devices and then also creating a cdma version which is virtually always locked by the cellular technology it uses(will only work on verizon)

Anyway, I too wish that it would be easier for me to get an n9 here in the States, but I understand that it makes total business sense for Nokia to not worry setting up a channel here for the few sales they will receive.
 

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jalyst is offline jalyst
2011-08-09 , 19:21
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#3662
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/n...-in-on-window/
 

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mikecomputing is offline mikecomputing
2011-08-09 , 19:48
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#3663
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Actually... I have to disagree fully with you. If Nokia USA was able to still accept and process orders, instead of closing up and leaving their sales to Amazon... then Nokia would have still had a process to accept payments, distribute the N9 just as they had with with Nokia N9.

Very little to do with the US cellphone carriers. They've not sold subsidized N-series phones since the crippled N73 by AT&T. But Nokia's decision to shut down Nokia USA and Nokia Canada means that the phone invariably will not be distributed by Nokia directly, nor via US carrier. That's how it's been here in this North American market.

But Nokia is at fault. They should have better sales distribution avenues and they do not.
No theyar are not cause Microsoft controls Nokia in the US...

And I begin to realise this is what Elop is talking about when he talking about WP7. He is talkinhg about US and seems forget the rest of the world. Probadly cause its US most stockholders are in?

Means Symbian/Meego will still be alive in european/asia. Cause they know it will take some time before they actually have brainwatched US consumers. And when that is done european is next to try.

Still I think they will fail
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hotnikkelz is offline hotnikkelz
2011-08-09 , 19:57
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#3664
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
No theyar are not cause Microsoft controls Nokia in the US...

And I begin to realise this is what Elop is talking about when he bashing about WP7.

Means Symbian/Meego will still be alive in european and WP7. Cause they know it will take some time before they actually have brainwatched US consumers. And when that is done european is next to try.

Still I think they will fail
Yes they are, Microsoft does not CONTROL Nokia. Nokia controls ITSELF, but is going to be 100% reliant on Microsoft's OS in the US market. This reliance has nothing to do with the carrier relationships or distribution. Less availability of devices means much less sales. It's as simple as that. US being as 'carrier run' as it is doesn't bode well with Nokia's unsubsidized strategy that they have employed for so long in the US.

You keep wishing for WP7 to fail. Keep in mind, if WP7 fails.....Nokia fails. So yea.... :/
 

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mikecomputing is offline mikecomputing
2011-08-09 , 20:12
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#3665
Originally Posted by hotnikkelz View Post
Yes they are, Microsoft does not CONTROL Nokia. Nokia controls ITSELF, but is going to be 100% reliant on Microsoft's OS in the US market. This reliance has nothing to do with the carrier relationships or distribution. Less availability of devices means much less sales. It's as simple as that. US being as 'carrier run' as it is doesn't bode well with Nokia's unsubsidized strategy that they have employed for so long in the US.

You keep wishing for WP7 to fail. Keep in mind, if WP7 fails.....Nokia fails. So yea.... :/
If WP7 fails i dont care about them as company.

Or more exaclty if they kill Meego/Symbian in favor of WP7 globally and fails I dont give a ****.

But AGAIN Nokia is more than US. and I still beleive Microsoft has MUCH influence in Nokias decisions for US.

1. Microsoft would never allow Nokia to release theyr MobileOffice for Meego

2. Microsoft HATES opensource and Linux and theyr and see it as a competitor. Just take a look in all the damn patent issues going on now. Not only related to Microsoft ofcourse but still..

3. Nokia had probadly to pay Microsoft alot for licence fees for using Exchange/FAT32 etc on Meego.

So my point is Microsoft and Apple is controlling the market in US and wihout them Nokia has no chance in US.
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jcar302 is offline jcar302
2011-08-09 , 20:23
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#3666
Out of curiosity, if there truly isn't a US version of the n9, what are warranty options on an import?
Are we just screwed if it breaks?
Seriously affects if and when i purchase. If it's impossible to warranty, that may be a deal breaker, i certainly wouldn't be an early adopter, that's for sure.
 

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Rauha is offline Rauha
2011-08-09 , 20:28
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#3667
Originally Posted by quipper8 View Post
I am sure this information has at least something to do with such decisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._phones_in_use

And US is kind of tapped out already with 96%. US Market is over, Nokia knows it lost, on to greener pastures.
96% is actually quite low. You might check your link again. Most, if not all, countries where N9 has been confirmed have much higher adaptation rate.

EDIT:nvm read your later post. Interesting theory.
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olighak is offline olighak
2011-08-09 , 20:35
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#3668
Originally Posted by jcar302 View Post
Out of curiosity, if there truly isn't a US version of the n9, what are warranty options on an import?
Are we just screwed if it breaks?
Seriously affects if and when i purchase. If it's impossible to warranty, that may be a deal breaker, i certainly wouldn't be an early adopter, that's for sure.
Buy it from Europe.

You get a two year warranty instead of the US 1 year.

You´ll have to mail the device off for repairs (same as in the US) with a raised postage.

You´ll have the device repaired (it happens pretty quickly) and then shipped back to you.

My Denmark bought N95-1 broke down 2 days before the 2 year warranty expired. As I had moved to Raleigh, NC, I just UPS´d it back to a repair shop in Copenhagen and 2 days later they UPS´d it back.

I could have USPS´d it to save costs but I needed it faster.

Works wonders

The one I used was Mobildoktoren (The Mobile Doctor), they´ve got a webpage at http://www.mobildoktoren.dk/ and are a authorized Nokia Repair shop so if it´s under warranty, they´ll fix it without other charge than the shipping one.
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2011-08-09 , 20:41
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i'm starting to think if it will be worth it for me to even get the n9. I really want the phone but now I have to import it, pay a crazy amount and know that in a few months there will be a new android with better specs.

n900 till it commits suicide and than i'll think about what to get.
 

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2011-08-09 , 20:47
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#3670
Originally Posted by xalted13 View Post
i'm starting to think if it will be worth it for me to even get the n9. I really want the phone but now I have to import it, pay a crazy amount and know that in a few months there will be a new android with better specs.

n900 till it commits suicide and than i'll think about what to get.
I think the androids have had better specs for awhile -at lest interms of CPU. The N9 has nicer UI.
 

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