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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
The way I interpret Gerbick is that this should not be enough to claim being a developper to ask for a Jolla C because the definition of developer can be very large. The approach used for N950 was ok but had some flaws too.
Shock! Most of the developers we have are free software developers, and they write apps that are useful for typical Linux users. I doubt many of them care about helping people airbrush their selfies taken in Starbucks before they upload them into the botnet.
IMO, that's a plus for Sailfish, although I can see that it's at odds with the commercial success of the platform.
If Jolla wants apps that are good for "normal users", they will have to make it easy for proprietary developers to make money writing apps that interface with all of the proprietary services "normal users" love so much.
And to @zogg and others, to give along merits is a nice idea. But in practice, this is a nightmare to manage. Really. And one should be prepared to spend a lot of times answering people why they did not receive their item while they are such a great person with some many great products/blogs/ or whatever. Because merits are difficult to scale from 0 to 10.
The way Jolla did it is just simple enough to let (mainly) one person manage the whole thing in a relative short period of time. The rules were pretty clear: you are on time or not.
Of course, this is not perfect. And there are complains about the fact that you should be connected, informed, and be quick. But there are no perfect systems and at least, we have a community program now
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
I would feign shock; but when Sailfish goes the same way as MeeGo and Maemo; you just described why. Niche solutions for niche market on niche devices and folks complain when they receive no more support?
Shock! Most of the developers we have are free software developers, and they write apps that are useful for typical Linux users. I doubt many of them care about helping people airbrush their selfies taken in Starbucks before they upload them into the botnet.
I'd suggest expanding that just a tad bit and enjoy a bit more success than what's existed in the past. That exclusive nature comes with a very deep handicap.
IMO, that's a plus for Sailfish, although I can see that it's at odds with the commercial success of the platform.
If Jolla wants apps that are good for "normal users", they will have to make it easy for proprietary developers to make money writing apps that interface with all of the proprietary services "normal users" love so much.
A lot of these devs do absolutely nothing with these devices. I'd say that has as negative of an impact than trying to incorporate the layman into your plans.
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This! Pretty much. Sailfish as a platform would be way more attractive (or accepted, or tolerated, or whatever) among those who don't actually care about OS (like my wifey and few billions of other dumb users with smart phone) if only there is 5 out of 10 most popular social (cr)apps on it.
And with that, a lot of other things would change.
And with that, a lot of other things would change.
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Originally Posted by kinggo
Agreed but with closed APIs and by banning users for using alternative apps you'll need the Zuckerbergs of this business to support Sailfish
This! Pretty much. Sailfish as a platform would be way more attractive (or accepted, or tolerated, or whatever) among those who don't actually care about OS (like my wifey and few billions of other dumb users with smart phone) if only there is 5 out of 10 most popular social (cr)apps on it.
And with that, a lot of other things would change.
- whatsapp is even pulling the support for BB10 - that's why Jolla implemented Android support - and it's working - and the users who don't care about the OS won't mind using android apps ;-) If you want them you need a few carriers on board to promote de devices to the masses - I would still prefer the niche and a small community ;-)
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Gerbick, I wasn't arguing, just saying it shouldn't be a surprise to us or to Jolla that most native SFOS apps are by nerds, for nerds.
Actually, as things stand AD is quite a nice way to segregate the crap from the good stuff- don't install it, and there's minimal exposure to commercial privacy invading rubbish.
I'd much rather pay monthly for SFOS to be maintained than have an influx of crapware to pay the bills (unless Jolla wanted to separate apps into free and nonfree repos, in which case it wouldn't affect me much at all).
Actually, as things stand AD is quite a nice way to segregate the crap from the good stuff- don't install it, and there's minimal exposure to commercial privacy invading rubbish.
I'd much rather pay monthly for SFOS to be maintained than have an influx of crapware to pay the bills (unless Jolla wanted to separate apps into free and nonfree repos, in which case it wouldn't affect me much at all).
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
Oh no, please do not think that I thought that for a second. I actually amended to what you were saying and did not think that you were arguing. If anything, we were discussing things. I perhaps went a bit further with my explanation of what was in my mind but I did not think we were arguing at all.
Gerbick, I wasn't arguing, just saying it shouldn't be a surprise to us or to Jolla that most native SFOS apps are by nerds, for nerds.
Please forgive my tone if that's how you took it. That was not my intent.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Amen! Those words should be engraved in 10 inch high golden letters at the top of every TMO page.
I would feign shock; but when Sailfish goes the same way as MeeGo and Maemo; you just described why. Niche solutions for niche market on niche devices and folks complain when they receive no more support?
Originally Posted by elastic
You might do, but does Jolla? Can they survive selling to a niche of five die-hard fans? They sure behave like they want to but the events of last year speak otherwise.
I would still prefer the niche and a small community ;-)
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Nah don't worry, I didn't take it like that. I just mean you seemed to have read the part about success wrong - I said it was at odds with the commercial success of sailfish, even though it's something I like personally.
Oh no, please do not think that I thought that for a second. I actually amended to what you were saying and did not think that you were arguing. If anything, we were discussing things. I perhaps went a bit further with my explanation of what was in my mind but I did not think we were arguing at all.
Please forgive my tone if that's how you took it. That was not my intent.
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Originally Posted by P@t
I was involved in N950 community program and participating in blackberry10 developer program.
The way I interpret Gerbick is that this should not be enough to claim being a developper to ask for a Jolla C because the definition of developer can be very large. The approach used for N950 was ok but had some flaws too.
And to @zogg and others, to give along merits is a nice idea. But in practice, this is a nightmare to manage. Really. And one should be prepared to spend a lot of times answering people why they did not receive their item while they are such a great person with some many great products/blogs/ or whatever. Because merits are difficult to scale from 0 to 10.
The way Jolla did it is just simple enough to let (mainly) one person manage the whole thing in a relative short period of time. The rules were pretty clear: you are on time or not.
Of course, this is not perfect. And there are complains about the fact that you should be connected, informed, and be quick. But there are no perfect systems and at least, we have a community program now
In both cases I created at least 1 app for platform in order to get the community device.
I do not see how hard is it to manage if you can get the poll for several contributors on TJC, after all it's community program and community can decide the people who should get it.
As for devs, you can always ask them to create apps for reward(place in order, not even free device). It can be done in multiple categories (newbiews, games and etc).
It was done by few people here on TMO btw, and as it's hard - if few community members and council can do it - I do not see any reason the company that has more resources than few members with their only free time.
I think JHolla decided just to sell that way, as they do not want to take too much responsibility on that one and they used "elitism" hype of "I was one of the limited to get my hands to device". Same as OnePlus One used invites. Good marketing strategy.
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IMO, that's a plus for Sailfish, although I can see that it's at odds with the commercial success of the platform.
If Jolla wants apps that are good for "normal users", they will have to make it easy for proprietary developers to make money writing apps that interface with all of the proprietary services "normal users" love so much.