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2015-01-31
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#372
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Originally Posted by nodevel
302 votes for answers in the pool asking for no-exFAT licensing as default. It is there for you and anybody read :
That's nonsense.
Support SDHC (up to 32GB, no exFAT licensing)
I do not like exfat on any kind of storage... First argument against is license payment to Microsoft.
Don't include exFAT by default
Just forego the darn logo (about SD/SDXC)
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Originally Posted by nodevel
It has consequence if you vote in an option explicitely asking no-exFAT licensing by default. You and more than 140 other users.
The question wasn't about exFAT in the first place, so supporting open filesystems (ext3/4 as you're mentioning) has no consequence for exFAT whatsoever.
Jolla can't read our minds, they can only read the pool votes.
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2015-01-31
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#373
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Originally Posted by rcolistete
This is tiring - let's try a kindergarten style step to step explanation
It has consequence if you vote in an option explicitely asking no-exFAT licensing by default. You and more than 140 other users.
The question was about support for open filesystems only.
- Is exFAT an open file system? Here, you can answer yourself, but to my knowledge, it is not.
- Is the question relevant to non-open filesystems? No, it is not, as it was targeted at open filesystems only (read the question again, will you).
- Is the question therefore relevant to exFAT? Depends on how you answered to question #1.
If I were to follow your flawed logic further, then if the 'ext3/4 by default' answer would have won, then Jolla should remove support for all filesystems that were not mentioned as default in that particular answer. Therefore next SailfishOS should not have support for btrfs (btrfs != ext3/4), for FAT16/32 (FAT16/32 != ext3/4), not even talking about ext2 (the backward compatibility in ext3 and ext4 should be artifically broken).
EDIT:
Again, this is purely academic discussion, because those 300 votes you are mentioning is still irrelevant.
More than 302 votes for no-exFAT as default, just 58 votes for exFAT default support in Jolla Tablet. Consider that Jolla sold about 7,200 tablets in Indiegogo campaign (until December), so 4,2% of active users is a lot greater than 0,8%.
Code:
((number of people who bought the tablet after the stretch goal was reached)/7200) >> 0.042
Last edited by nodevel; 2015-01-31 at 19:07.
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2015-01-31
, 19:06
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#374
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Originally Posted by nodevel
This word in bold is very offensive. So you have lowered the level of debate. It is a shame. I was expecting a lot more here.
This is tiring - let's try a kindergarten style step to step explanation
Congratulations, I won't read and comment any post from you from now and you've entered into my TMO ignore list.
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2015-01-31
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#375
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benny1967, nodevel,
I am sorry to have to break it to you but there is no point arguing. You have zero chance of winning, so you may as well give up.
There are people with enough moral fibre who, when confronted with facts that contradict their believes, will say, "Oh, sorry, I didn't know that, thanks."
There is another type who, in the same situation, will just quietly withdraw from the argument, pretending it never happened. They think it prevents them losing face.
And then you have types like rcolistete. No matter how many facts you throw in their face, they will insist on their version of reality, ignoring some facts, augmenting others and twisting the rest to suit them. It's not like they do it on purpose. They actually, really, truly believe they are right. It is very sad.
I am sorry to have to break it to you but there is no point arguing. You have zero chance of winning, so you may as well give up.
There are people with enough moral fibre who, when confronted with facts that contradict their believes, will say, "Oh, sorry, I didn't know that, thanks."
There is another type who, in the same situation, will just quietly withdraw from the argument, pretending it never happened. They think it prevents them losing face.
And then you have types like rcolistete. No matter how many facts you throw in their face, they will insist on their version of reality, ignoring some facts, augmenting others and twisting the rest to suit them. It's not like they do it on purpose. They actually, really, truly believe they are right. It is very sad.
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2015-01-31
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#376
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Originally Posted by rcolistete
You probably will not be able to read this then (unless someone quotes it), but still...
This word in bold is very offensive. So you have lowered the level of debate. It is a shame. I was expecting a lot more here.
Congratulations, I won't read and comment any post from you from now and you've entered into my TMO ignore list.
I am sorry I offended you - that was never the intention and I sincerely apologize.
I don't find the word offensive myself - the reason why I included it, together with the emoticon was to lighten the discussion, because I felt that things are getting unnecessarily heated - but I respect that you do and will therefore think before using it in the future. I never intended to use it to offend you or to undermine your position.
My intention in the discussion was never to "win", but to offer my view on Jolla's decision and the consequences it might have for them. The discussion with you was interesting for the initial stands - I hate exFAT to the guts, but I felt that Jolla did not follow their promise and it was more important for me, while you did support exFAT, but felt that community should have the final word. The discussion was certainly interesting and I thank you for that.
Only time will show what are the consequences.
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2015-01-31
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#377
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Originally Posted by rcolistete
That IS Kindergarten.
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Congratulations, I won't read and comment any post from you from now and you've entered into my TMO ignore list.
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As well as the TJC whatever-you-name it. I even did not vote for any answer/commentt/wiki/anything at all. As I did not see where to vote really for Jolla to follow SDxC standard (whatever that means!).
I will not follow this anymore. (as I did weeks ago with that tjc "discussion").
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2015-01-31
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#378
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As attachment to my former post:
Especially with that apologize (quoted for rcolistete to read):
Especially with that apologize (quoted for rcolistete to read):
Originally Posted by nodevel
You probably will not be able to read this then (unless someone quotes it), but still...
I am sorry I offended you - that was never the intention and I sincerely apologize.
I don't find the word offensive myself - the reason why I included it, together with the emoticon was to lighten the discussion, because I felt that things are getting unnecessarily heated - but I respect that you do and will therefore think before using it in the future. I never intended to use it to offend you or to undermine your position.
My intention in the discussion was never to "win", but to offer my view on Jolla's decision and the consequences it might have for them. The discussion with you was interesting for the initial stands - I hate exFAT to the guts, but I felt that Jolla did not follow their promise and it was more important for me, while you did support exFAT, but felt that community should have the final word. The discussion was certainly interesting and I thank you for that.
Only time will show what are the consequences.
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2015-01-31
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#379
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Originally Posted by benny1967
I have to disagree with you there.
Also, you mustn't forget that before this poll on TJC, there was a more serious poll on Indiegogo. People there voted with their wallets. (I'm sure you did, too, because you have such strong opinions about not being able to use SDXC-cards in you future tablet.)
I am sure many people who wanted and ordered the tablet didn't give a flying fsck about exfat support. I orderd the thing and I absolutely don't need exfat on it.
Now, if it had been a perk-to-be-purchased, then you'd know exactly how many want it.
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2015-01-31
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#380
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I dont care about IT eaither. But i do care about the fake stretch goal jolla used to get money but have/had no plans to actually add it. The excat story is secondy to the poorly bahvior related to 3G stretch goal.
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Last edited by rcolistete; 2015-01-31 at 18:47.