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shmerl	2013-02-25 , 20:18
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At least it sounds this way:

Our goal with the Sailfish OS is to develop an open source operating system in co-operation with the community

We are currently in the process of putting in place the processes and licensing structures that will enable you, the community, to take part in developing Sailfish.

Note that nothing is said about keeping parts closed. So it looks like they are working towards opening it all up (even if at first not all stuff will be open). Time will tell of course.

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mariusmssj	2013-02-25 , 20:41
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People are already getting emulators working, from what I read the experience for an emulated OS is really smooth. Some say smoother than Ubuntu mobile OS

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sorry @Morpog no bad intentions

Picture and tweet info from @Morpog

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	Morpog	2013-02-25 , 21:38
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Lol mariusmssj, you ripped my twitter pic and my tweets in an own post.....

That's the SailfishOS SDK which you can get since today on sailfishos.org.

People are alreay trying their apps on it:
<pyksy> works \o/ http://pyksy.ath.cx/temp/SFVasama.png

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shmerl	2013-02-25 , 23:08
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Originally Posted by wicket

The point of Tivoization is to prevent the user from replacing system software (usually firmware). If Sailfish is going to allow us to override core operating system packages then it doesn't support Tivoization

I see wget included in Sailfish (which is GPLv3) as part of Nemo packages. I don't think Sailfish has any problems with that. The whole issue is around Mer itself. I.e. it gives a potential for some vendors to go that route, but it doesn't mandate it. Sailfish (as a vendor) already obviously doesn't go there - so don't worry.

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Rugoz	2013-02-26 , 00:03
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Well this is the Jolla Sailfish MWC 2013 staff I guess:

Cute girls...

	onethreealpha	2013-02-26 , 00:07
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Originally Posted by jalyst

I disagree with the assertion that the only way to engage is via MeR, this isn't what they themselves have communicated, & it's not the only way to engage in useful back-n-forth.
You may feel that anything outside engagement via MeR/Nemo is a "eager fanbase that's owed nothing", but I don't think this whole exercise is a total waste of time, at least yet.

I never "asserted" the only way to engage is vie mer. I merely referenced what Jolla has been saying.
Perhaps your misinterpretation of my comment is my fault?

Jolla has opened a number of streams for comms and have been pretty responsive on all of them, perhaps the disappointment lay in the fact that their answers aren't satisfying some people?

Anyways, SDK is out and that's great news. lets get hacking

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jalyst	2013-02-26 , 04:05
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Reading your entire response it sure as heck sounded like that, they haven't been responsive on all of them...
There's still a ****-load of unanswered/unclear things, but with the SDK out now a large component will at least start to become less murky, & through feedback can be refined.
Getting there, hopefully soon we'll also get feedback to all content in the docs, some of which -no doubt- has been cleared-up now, thanks to the recent site overhaul.

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	danramos	2013-02-26 , 10:12
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Originally Posted by shmerl

Note that nothing is said about keeping parts closed. So it looks like they are working towards opening it all up (even if at first not all stuff will be open). Time will tell of course.

Isn't that the same thing we heard from Nokia? They said similar things about how open they were and about how they contributed tons to the kernel... Meanwhile, they continued to close up more and more of the OS and deprecate older hardware with planned obsolescence by making sure the core of the operating system and as much of the system remained closed-source and irrevocably locked up from any new kernels, security updates and even open-source replacements for system-dependent applications (battery system, media player, even calendar, etc.). They say one thing, but in practice they do other things. It's like someone telling you that you're perfectly fine and safe, while they reach around you to repeatedly stab you in the back.

I've learned to believe it when I see it.

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jalyst	2013-02-26 , 10:16
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It's a metric **** tonne better than where Tizen's been going, not sure you've been following either all that closely, we just have some unknowns still...
Those unknowns at this relatively early stage doesn't automatically mean the same approach as Maemo/Harmattan's being taken, so far it's still looking much more like MeeGo.

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mariusmssj	2013-02-26 , 14:08
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If I get this right We should be able to have 18 apps open at the same time 9 per screen(2 Screens available) and a Events screen.

From this picture I think that:

There will be 3 screen from left to right to swipe to. Home - Apps - Events. Home and Apps might have the same feature, but I am not sure. What's almost clear that there is a dedicated Events screen which can be accessed with 2 swipes to right or single swipe to left like on N9 basically.

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Events summarizes new notifications and feeds in one single view. It can be accessed from any view with a push gesture from the bottom. In the Lock screen, Home and Launcher, a push from any direction opens the Events.

This is only my speculation

and here is more info: