what in the **** are you talking about?

There was a long time ago when I was a young boy, Nokia announced N9 device, we all wanted to get one but we never knew if we could live enough until the sales launch ... Well I'll tell you the end of the story tomorrow kids, now it's too late and you have to go to sleep, have a good night children ... xD

Lmaoo

I don't think so. Especially long-term.

And if you buy Nokia crap, you're going to validate Elop's decisions (especially since there's clearly not going to be very many N9's and the alternatives are all Windows Phone 7 phones)--which ALSO means no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future. Lose-lose.

I say, let them learn what Elop's done--and hope they turn around the fire the ***** in a desperate attempt to gain back what they've lost. THAT might have a chance.



Sometimes the Captain doesn't actually go down with his ship. I'm sure Elop will do fine when Nokia finally goes under. Don't worry about him.

If Elop is going down with the ship, it's only because his bonus check is still on the boat.

Otherwise, I don't believe it'll happen that way.

I've given up getting an N9, though I unfortunately can't give up obsessing over it. I'll be getting a Samsung Galaxy S II, (Samsung Stratosphere apparently on Verizon) and probably running Cyanogen. I'll at least be waiting for the next Meego device, whoever might make it, might be around before 2 years.

I justified a carrier switch, paying the unsubsidized price, getting little to no real support - both first party and third party, and the fact that most of the hardware in this phone is unremarkable. I can't justify getting it with a release date that I don't know, imported because its not otherwise coming to the US, or heck even the UK or Germany now and I'm sure that's just the start of disappointment. No other device from no other manufacturer are you so worried "will it be supported?" That's not a question you should have to ask. Period.

The N950 developer program ended up giving most of those who had really wanted the original N9, with the keyboard, what they had been looking for. The rest of us are SOL. One last hurrah for Maemo, for the few who still care, not that there were many who cared in the first place. The N900 is far past its peak and you still have to explain to everyone what it is and why it means something.

It doesn't take a great device to claim the market, a hardware and software upgrade to the N900 would've been able to do that if that was true. It would at least have more than just a cult following if that was it. It takes a decent device and a lot of marketing, and then you finally grow into something that people can't move away from, part of their lives.

The Galaxy S II is a device, and a good one. The N9, however, is a dream. A dream I won't be living, and that probably wouldn't measure up to what I think of it anyway.

And just like the fabled "Year of the Linux Desktop" it isn't whether it has become great or not, its the fact the vast majority of people have no reason to care.

This post is meant for those who are still interested in release dates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfi3...feature=relmfu

For those who don't speak Portuguese, the responsible for Nokia smart devices in Latin America says in this video that the n9 will be available in Brazil by the end of Q3 2011 / beginning of Q4 2011.

My first guess is that they're sticking to the September 23rd release date.

Since Nokia is a VERY strong brand in Brazil, my second guess is that they chose to release the n9 in the markets where they don't need to reposition their brand. People in Brazil will buy the n9 as the new Nokia flagship, without questioning if the OS is Meego, Symbian, Android or whatever.

By the way, if I read right what Nokia has been saying in the last few months, Symbian and Meego are not dead, they will be replaced by Windows Phone in the markets where Symbian was unsuccessful. Elop said in an interview that Nokia is going to release at least 12 Symbian phones in 2012 and that Maemo/Meego/Whatever is going to live on as an experimental platform.

All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).

EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!

for those still interested in N9
TVmatchen for N9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN3Y2n2h9Xk

in years to come, this will be a great case in poor management!

Nokia's sales are crippled because of Symbian. Every review of symbian indicates that it lacks apps, are too slow, and no bling-bling UI which is what everbody (apperently) want.

However the strategy is too keep feeding the smart phone market world wide with symbian units (that doesnt sell) in years to come. From 2009 to start of 2012 symbian is the only thing Nokia can rely on and especially in 2010 and onwards Nokia sales drastically decreased because of Apple and Android.
Summer 2011 Nokia had an option to release a Product, N9 which in reveiws had very differently popularity among test-sites than Symbian ever had.
That product, however, were only released in few countries and therefore only had little impact on the net income. The bottomline were that Nokia had little to no revenue from Q1 2011 (after the release of N8) to Q1 2012(the first Nokia mango mobile).

What went wrong? Was it the classic "group think" were directors and board members thought they could walk on water?

Sigh. I do understand you pain... I'm still going to get one.
As I'm sure it's still going to be a very compelling device overall.
Despite all the efforts to ensure it's not....
I don't like what Nokia's been doing though, totally uncool.

Really? This an EU-wide thing?
You know where to put your hand on the legislation?

Pretty sure this is not the case for Australia.
Within reason of course...
i.e. They no longer make the model at all.

You don't like VKB because you think it's crap compared to others?
Or simply because you generally don't like VKB's?

Why on earth does Nokia need to do reseller training?
The few countries it's headed to, are mostly getting it via retail distribution, not by carriers.
Are are you merely referring to the handful of carriers, in a handful of countries, that are getting it?

Yeah sure, and I'm a pink alien!