Originally Posted by shallimus

Even by my standards, this thread is now TL; DR.

Originally Posted by danramos

WTF is this?

Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy

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Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy

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The point I was making was that Nokia needed Microsoft a bit more than Microsoft needed Nokia. Prior to Feb 11th, WP7 was the bright young thing of Mobile, but Symbian was seen as the dinosaur stuck in the tar lake. If there was any disparity in the deal, it would not surprise me that Nokia had to give up a bit more than they'd have liked.
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Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy

• I could put that the other way around, but we'll never know know. All we do know is thet even before Elop Nokia & Symbian were in trouble and under attach from critics - just like they are now, in fact...

"Certainly you can see it in the stock price: most think Symbian is dead and that there is little to look forward to with Nokia."

• If most thought Symbian was dead it would not be selling as well as it still is, so I do not agree. Just look at how many millions of devices Nokia are still selling; most buyers are ignorant of the political wranglings and just see more devices coming from Nokia. Most of them will be ignorant of the platform or OS used.
  
  I am not denying that Symbian's market share and stock is falling, but that does not matter to the average individual who goes into the store to buy their next phone. Nokia has a huge following with a corresponding brand loyalty; do not confuse that with the platform or OS.
  
  Symbian sales will fall further, I have no doubt. But Symbian is so big Nokia can carry that loss for quite some time. New developments like Anna and Belle will add appeal whilst Nokia build interest in their WP devices. We know there will be new Symbian devices until about 2014 and support will continue until 2016 at least.
  
  By that time Windows Phone will be fully established, fully featured and fully supported in the markets.

"Fact is Elop royally ****ed up in that he made such an announcement without having another product to fill the gap. A few months later and we still don't really know when Nokia will release their first Windows Phone. Meanwhile, the N9 is coming out and Elop has done a lot to undercut that. Who the hell thinks that's a smart way to run a business?"

• Only time will tell. A plan needs time to play out and it's early days yet. We can't call this a good or bad plan until Nokia have had at least a year selling WP devices. To write off any plan this early is an emotional response that is not tempered with reason.

"Which, again, benefits Microsoft more than it does Nokia".

• Nokia were the weaker party, Microsoft the stronger; That's buisiness. Nokia do get value out of the relationship; the ratio does not matter unless you're looking at this from an emotional perspective. Like I said, this is business.

"Given the new direction, they might as well be unrecoverable for the purposes of this forum. We were drawn to the power of Maemo and the promise of its potential. Elop seems to be doing everything possible to kill that dream, with nothing to replace it. It certainly won't be Windows Phone."

• I think Elop might be our best hope in the long run. The fact that the N9 will make it to market and the fact that the N950 is a developer phone suggests to me that despite Elop's understandable focus on WP, devices like the N9 have a future at Nokia.
  
  Right now he has to keep pushing the WP message. Every new product, every new technology and feature from Nokia must carry the WP message in some way, but read between the lines:
  
  I do not believe Nokia will discard the N9 approach. They may not develop Meego further - that is something else, but I can see value and potential for a more Maemo-like platform (i.e. an entirely Nokia, but still open-source OS) with maybe one or two devices a year to showcase disruptive technologies and developments.

"Speaking as a Nokia stockholder, I'm also disappointed in that aspect, because I'm wondering when Nokia is going to come out with a product that they are going to be fully behind. Certainly not for the rest of this year."

• Earlier you were criticising Elop for focussing entirely on WP and now you're saying he is not fully behind anything at the same time? You can't have it both ways!

Originally Posted by jo21

[...] microsoft is paying BILLIONS for timed exclusivity, like they always do, thankfully that plan have ALWAYS failed.[...]

exclusivity {with NOKIA} [CLOSE TO] failed

Originally Posted by casper27

Still my favorite picture this year

Originally Posted by misterc

my point, exactly

Originally Posted by casper27

Offtopic but

This picture has now been replaced by this one. Anyone who read any of his stupid threads will agree.

Originally Posted by danramos

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Here’s the quote from Microsoft Windows Phone President Andy Lees from his partner-show keynote this week that has many buzzing:

One of the key important things here, though, is the change that’s yet to happen, but it’s about to happen, and that is the bringing together of these devices into a unified ecosystem, because at the core of the device itself it’s possible to be common across phones, PCs, and TVs, and even other things, because the price drops dramatically. Then it will be a single ecosystem. We won’t have an ecosystem for PCs, and an ecosystem for phones, one for tablets. They’ll all come together. And just look at the opportunity here.

Microsoft outlines vision of the future ... and it disturbs me
… yes, ideally suited to small screen devices like smartphones. But smartphones aren’t tablets and netbooks/notebooks and games consoles and such. Why is Microsoft once again going for this ‘one size fits all’ approach to UI design. Why push a design paradigm designed for the small screen onto systems that aren’t limited by screen size? It makes no sense. But we’ve got to remember that Microsoft is the company that for years has been desperately trying to shoehorn the the desktop UI paradigm onto devices that have small screens.



I’m surprised that there isn’t a Dell desktop in the background featuring a 30-inch UltraSharp display also featuring the Metro UI. What better way to feature a UI designed for the small screen than to shove it onto a 30-inch screen.