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#3891
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Reason Symbian has failed in history is because the devframework sucked but now the Qt is on place it could actually start compete with WP7/IOS and Android. But instead the board got panic and MrFlop started spread FUD in february and helped kill it instead of improve it. Again its all about marketing! WP7 may succes but STILL its not because its the "best ecosystem" or the best for consumers or even Nokia as company. Only idiots who believe in Elop may think this is the case.
No, that's the reason Symbian failed in the past. The reason it is still failing is because of the aged UI design and the "underpowering" of flagship devices (we all know this is because Symbian doesn't need a particularly speedy CPU to perform well, but the general public don't).

The board didn't "panic", they responded to a quick drop in marketshare in Q4 2010 that looked like it had no sign of stopping. They took stock of all their options and WP7 is where they arrived. You have no insight into their decision-making process and neither do I, so we can't say HOW they came to this conclusion. However I'm willing to bet they didn't just go Leon on the situation

WAKE UP

TIME TO DIE

Seriously, most people in the world have more common sense than you do. You should probably try and remember that.
 
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#3892
Originally Posted by keflex View Post
But we haven't got at the core of why they are choosing alternate OS'. I would think there's two real factors at play:

- Lack of carrier support/support from salespeople within carrier stores
- Lack of new devices

Do either of those show great macromanagement on behalf of Microsoft? Not really. But they do mean that it's probably not really worth rating the sales data until Mango comes along with new devices in tow and bridges the service gap that currently exists between WP7 & its competitors. How was Android's first year again?

Honestly son the door is right there, if you want to walk through it at any time I won't laugh too hard.
Whatever happened to your mantra of "it's not poor management but a company who is just following what consumers want". Why does this not apply to OEMs, The lack of carrier support and devices is due to poor sales.

Don't see why android sales matter here but I think even you should be able to see the trend in this graph. If for some unkown reason your extrapolation draws you to your current conclusion then it's pure faith and not market trends.

http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.w...6-28-47-am.png
http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.w...6-15-10-am.png

You can laugh like an insane person all you like while I walk out the door but it's clear you refuse to see anything that's presented to you.

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#3893
Originally Posted by keflex View Post
However I'm willing to bet they didn't just go Leon on the situation

WAKE UP

TIME TO DIE
That was Bladerunner (Rutger Hauer), no?
 

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Because of course, that first year of flat growth means absolutely nothing to you. Either you don't how to interpret data visualisations, or you just ignored it for some inextricable reason. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are really, really dumb. Thanks for proving my point though.

Also, you've completely misrepresented what I've been saying; I've been saying that Nokia believe they are representing both the interests of the market and their own self-interest in the best possible way. I've also pointed out that I am not concluding this is the correct way to go yet; I am simply saying to wait and see. But jumping to conclusions is all the rage around here, so I can see why you thought I might follow suit.

Also the lack of devices is due to the planned release schedule for these devices. As we all know, mobile handsets have very long lead times for development and it's unlikely that any recent sales data would have affected device production.

Also as an aside, I only refuse points when they are grounded in poor logic. All your posts have been characterised by misrepresenting current information, including my own stance on the topic at hand. Most of my posts have been based on correcting your assumptions, representations of data and overt generalisations of the current marketplace. Game over, please deposit 40 quarters.
 
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Originally Posted by Tigerite View Post
That was Bladerunner (Rutger Hauer), no?
Yeah it was, but it was Leon who said the line. Good pickup, didn't actually think anyone would know what I was on about.
 

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Originally Posted by Tigerite View Post
That was Bladerunner (Rutger Hauer), no?
[OT]Leon was a pretty quiet guy "*hrmhr*"... [/OT]
 
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#3897
Originally Posted by keflex View Post
300 devices to MeeGo devs, many more to commercial devs.

If you're going to spout ****** conspiracy theories be sure to get your facts straight.
As for commercial developers. I've singed up on behalf of company I am working for.

I did not get confirmation mail at all. So, I would not like to bet on many more commercial devs.
 

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I was going through youtube for new nokia n9 videos ...and found this video of n9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3cA49oK-4

Its the same girl that is promoting nokia n9 around the europe ... everyone though that she is holding a white n9 but in reality its a black one with white cover on it !

I hope they come up with the white one ...even if they don't im going to buy the Cyan one ....IF THEY RELEASE THE N9 !!!!!

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
ROTFL so you really think it will sell well without marketing resources not a chance.
And yet... without marketing as an American I've purchased the 770, N810 and N900. None of them had advertising in North America.

If marketing is so damn important, why hasn't any happened in any iteration of the Maemo devices so far? If marketing is so damn important, why didn't the N900 do even better in Europe and Asia?

Don't quote high returns as the fault. Build better **** then Nokia should have been the message. Don't quote that the iPhone/Android was in the way. Learn how to compete better.

Marketing is a skill that Nokia just doesn't have. They do have name recognition like no other. And lately, even that is slipping.

I will buy the deviced but with lack of marketing it will fail globally.
And that's what happened 4 Maemo devices so far... all were not globally as well-received as any iteration - including the locked down, never receive an update versions - of an Android device.

Buying a device from Maemo/MeeGo device from Nokia doesn't seem to come with advertising. Or long-term support.

It mayh sell well in northeurope and ausstria but the rest it will fail thanks too Elop and his Microsoftteam...
If you can find it. The marketing errors of Maemo precede Elop. 4 devices down, no real marketing that meant a damn thing. 5th device is suffering from that decision. Could have had 4-5 years of Maemo recognition + Nokia's name recognition and none of what's happening now would be an option.

Simply put, past mistakes, past bad decisions have created this situation where Elop & crew are able to say "It didn't sell well last time. Why sell it now?" and look more right than wrong.

Too bad the Nokia Board of Directors - not the ****ing shareholders like you people tend to deflect to, the shareholders suggest, the board ratifies/decides - didn't think the same about WP7 (re: "It didn't sell well in the US. Why sell it now?")
 

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You know a plus though?

It's highly likely that the N950 devs will never have to return the devices given how they don't want to even sell the Nokia N9.

Win-win!
 

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