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Thanks Jörg. Having done some more investigation, it seems that if I also want GSM in Colombia I'll need to go for the PLS8-US.
I'm not sure how many people this will be useful to but here is a breakdown of PLS8 modem/operator support in Colombia. I've tried to figure it out as best as I can but official information on some of them is scarce so don't blame me if I've made a mistake.
Notes:
Une operates on the Tigo network for 2G and 3G.
ETB, Uff! and Móvil Éxito operate on the Tigo network for 2G, 3G and 4G.
Virgin Mobile operates on the Movistar network for 2G and 3G.
DirecTV offers LTE only for the home which means no 2G or 3G and no voice at all until the roll-out of VoLTE (which is held back globally due to lack of QoS guarantee).
Although Tigo and Une have merged, it's unclear whether they have unified LTE services to support both bands. Tigo will or have already relinquished the 50MHz block of spectrum in the 2500MHz band.
PLS8-E
Claro: GSM No, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Movistar: GSM No, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Tigo: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
Une: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE Yes
ETB: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
DirecTV: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE Yes
Avantel: GSM No, UMTS ???, LTE No
Virgin Mobile: GSM No, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Uff!: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
Móvil Éxito: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
PLS8-US
Claro: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Movistar: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Tigo: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Une: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE No
ETB: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
DirecTV: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
Avantel: GSM Yes, UMTS ???, LTE Yes
Virgin Mobile: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Uff!: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Móvil Éxito: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Official sources:
http://www.claro.com.co/wps/portal/c...s/movil/4g-lte
http://descubre.movistar.co/4GLTE/que_es.html
https://compras.tigo.com.co/promo_4g
https://www.avantel.co/cobertura/4g-lte.html
http://www.uffmovil.com/cobertura
https://www.virginmobile.co/web/virg...cios/cobertura
Third-party sources (some have conflicting information):
http://www.worldtimezone.com/4g.html
http://www.nemesisla.com/descargas/f...as_moviles.pdf
https://www.samsung.com/co/pdf/LTE.pdf
http://www.4gamericas.org/files/9714...ina_4.1.15.pdf
http://www.4gltemall.com/blog/4g-lte...m-in-colombia/
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/etb...ombia--1041633
http://www.lte-tdd.org/news/ind/2014-10-08/4558.html
http://www.gsmarena.com/network-band...untry=COLOMBIA
http://wiki.apnchanger.org/Colombia
http://www.budde.com.au/Research/Col...-Analysis.html
http://www.virgin.com/news/virgin-mo...-colombia-2012
http://www.lte-tdd.org/news/ind/2015-05-05/6187.html
https://www.telegeography.com/produc...m-post-merger/
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I'm not sure how many people this will be useful to but here is a breakdown of PLS8 modem/operator support in Colombia. I've tried to figure it out as best as I can but official information on some of them is scarce so don't blame me if I've made a mistake.
Notes:
ETB, Uff! and Móvil Éxito operate on the Tigo network for 2G, 3G and 4G.
Virgin Mobile operates on the Movistar network for 2G and 3G.
DirecTV offers LTE only for the home which means no 2G or 3G and no voice at all until the roll-out of VoLTE (which is held back globally due to lack of QoS guarantee).
PLS8-E
Claro: GSM No, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Movistar: GSM No, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Tigo: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
ETB: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
DirecTV: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE Yes
Avantel: GSM No, UMTS ???, LTE No
Virgin Mobile: GSM No, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Uff!: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
Móvil Éxito: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
PLS8-US
Claro: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Movistar: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Tigo: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
ETB: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
DirecTV: GSM No, UMTS No, LTE No
Avantel: GSM Yes, UMTS ???, LTE Yes
Virgin Mobile: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE No
Uff!: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Móvil Éxito: GSM Yes, UMTS Yes, LTE Yes
Official sources:
http://www.claro.com.co/wps/portal/c...s/movil/4g-lte
http://descubre.movistar.co/4GLTE/que_es.html
https://compras.tigo.com.co/promo_4g
https://www.avantel.co/cobertura/4g-lte.html
http://www.uffmovil.com/cobertura
https://www.virginmobile.co/web/virg...cios/cobertura
Third-party sources (some have conflicting information):
http://www.worldtimezone.com/4g.html
http://www.nemesisla.com/descargas/f...as_moviles.pdf
https://www.samsung.com/co/pdf/LTE.pdf
http://www.4gamericas.org/files/9714...ina_4.1.15.pdf
http://www.4gltemall.com/blog/4g-lte...m-in-colombia/
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/etb...ombia--1041633
http://www.lte-tdd.org/news/ind/2014-10-08/4558.html
http://www.gsmarena.com/network-band...untry=COLOMBIA
http://wiki.apnchanger.org/Colombia
http://www.budde.com.au/Research/Col...-Analysis.html
http://www.virgin.com/news/virgin-mo...-colombia-2012
http://www.lte-tdd.org/news/ind/2015-05-05/6187.html
https://www.telegeography.com/produc...m-post-merger/
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2015-05-19
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Originally Posted by BigPeteNZ
I just got a surprisingly detailed reply from Skinny:
Hi,
For New Zealand.
Nice and simple is NZ.
The Spark network uses both (HSDPA/UMTS) 2100mhz and 850mhz depending on your location. 4G does indeed operate on 1900mhz. Within city centres the network operates on 2100mhz and outside of the city centres its 850 mhz, these are both 3G frequencies. 4G only operates in certain places.
From the link you sent me for the modems, it looks like the PLS8-E will not pick up our 850mhz frequency, which could cause problems depending on your location. If you want to guarantee coverage, it may be better to go for the PHS8-P/J/K or PXS8.
Usually we cannot recommend individual devices, especially modems as these are devices we do not usually support. However, your best bet is with PHS8-P/J/K or PXS8. However, after looking at your coverage, if you feel you can get by with the PLS8-E device that could also work, but please be aware, it will not work outside of city centres due to not being able to pick up the 850mhz frequency.
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2015-05-19
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Yeah man the PXS8 I think is the way to go ...
why get the PHS8-P/J/K ? When you can have it's freq. range and the cdma range of the PXS8?
you can hedge your bets better with the PXS8
that way...you go out into the boonies... you got reception.
Prob. is the boys aren't sure they can get it ..yet.
If I knew my neo could have the PXS8 ...
I'd want it over anything else..
alot of the planet isn't 3g or 4g.
.it's old fashioned cdma ...which happens to have it's own perks...security being better for one.
As it stands.. if they can't get it ..I'm not interested in the alternatives at this time.
Actually I have been mulling it for some time..
personally I'm thinking of putting a caveat in my order...(since I don't want a modem module if they can't source the PXS8)...
why get the PHS8-P/J/K ? When you can have it's freq. range and the cdma range of the PXS8?
you can hedge your bets better with the PXS8
that way...you go out into the boonies... you got reception.
Prob. is the boys aren't sure they can get it ..yet.
If I knew my neo could have the PXS8 ...
I'd want it over anything else..
alot of the planet isn't 3g or 4g.
.it's old fashioned cdma ...which happens to have it's own perks...security being better for one.
As it stands.. if they can't get it ..I'm not interested in the alternatives at this time.
Actually I have been mulling it for some time..
personally I'm thinking of putting a caveat in my order...(since I don't want a modem module if they can't source the PXS8)...
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2015-05-19
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
I have to disagree, PLS8-E is the way to go.
Yeah man the PXS8 I think is the way to go ...
Just made my order this morning
Originally Posted by endsormeans
who needs a freaking cdma range?
why get the PHS8-P/J/K ? When you can have it's freq. range and the cdma range of the PXS8?
I'm pretty sure they'll scrap that system sooner or later anyway!
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You just wait until you get stuck in a "Cabin-in-the-Woods" sequel and you'll be wishin' for the cdma range ...
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I would/will be undecided between those two options!
PXS would give full worldwide coverage. And I believe we will see cdma and gsm for at least one (possibly two?) decades.
On the other hand LTE is the future (but what I see here in Germany about umts coverage I get a lot of time only 2g, even in the city).
So what, do you want the Neo as up-to-date crazy-fast-dataspeed smart phone? Or as an overall driver?
PXS would give full worldwide coverage. And I believe we will see cdma and gsm for at least one (possibly two?) decades.
On the other hand LTE is the future (but what I see here in Germany about umts coverage I get a lot of time only 2g, even in the city).
So what, do you want the Neo as up-to-date crazy-fast-dataspeed smart phone? Or as an overall driver?
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Is the only difference between UMTS plus CDMA2000 and UMTS "worldwide" the CDMA2000 functionallity. So the UMTS plus CDMA2000 version would also work in Europe?
I live in Germany and I am quite unsure if I want LTE or roaming everywhere. Any suggestions?
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I live in Germany and I am quite unsure if I want LTE or roaming everywhere. Any suggestions?
best regards
Mith
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Originally Posted by mithrandir
Yes. And the PXS8 module is probably a few bucks more expensive than the PHS8.
Is the only difference between UMTS plus CDMA2000 and UMTS "worldwide" the CDMA2000 functionallity. So the UMTS plus CDMA2000 version would also work in Europe?
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Originally Posted by mithrandir
I think many of us are trying to make that decision. It probably depends on your use case. If you never leave your home region, then the LTE option makes the most sense. If you embark on intercontinental travel with some frequency, then it is a more difficult choice.
I live in Germany and I am quite unsure if I want LTE or roaming everywhere. Any suggestions?
best regards
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In my case, it is an even tougher decision. Under most circumstances, I would have chosen the pentaband UMTS option, without LTE, since 3G speeds have always been good enough for me and I do a fair amount of global travel where the ability to roam on 3G would be useful.
Unfortunately, I live in the US with its patchwork of used frequencies. As a T-mobile US customer, the required 3G/4G band could be 700, 1700/2100, or 1900, (bands 12, 4, 2 [Joerg_rw]) depending on the area of the country I happen to be in. As such, I may have to elect the US LTE option (matching bands: 4, 2 [Joerg_rw]) just to guarantee network compatibility. I suppose I can get a GSM travel hotspot if I do want to use 2100 3G data in the event I do travel outside the Americas.
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"band 7" is a clear spec which should guarantee compatibility.
Generally 3GPP clearly specified the bands, while frequencies are just a quite arbitrarily picked fuzzy attribute of the used band (compare: band1 which is called "2100" by DL, vs band4 called "1700" by UL). Please always check what band your provider supports and find the associated uplink/downlink frequencies in the URL in footnote of this post (for plausibility check), and check http://m2m.gemalto.com/tl_files/cint...t_PLS8_web.pdf which bands the US and EU variants of PLS8 support.
HTH
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1) http://www.lte-anbieter.info/ratgebe...uenzen-lte.php
+) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA...nel_bandwidths
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