Originally Posted by marmistrz

That's what some (layman) people from my family complain about - all the phones are just the same.

Originally Posted by N912

So, in your opinion, im wrong?

Originally Posted by N912

No, i was complaining about the lack of variation, innovation and diversity, within said 'android-sphere'.
As i said, hardware and software wise they are all almost the same.

Sailfish?
Sailfish is definetly playing in its own league.
Altough Jolla was quite nokia-ish, with its entry into the smartphonemarket, asd they released a OS that was different than its competitors and released a smartphone with a few neat ideas (TOH).

Originally Posted by Dave999

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Take a step back and think about what this thread is about? No indication of sail and Nokia.

Originally Posted by mscion

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...

Originally Posted by N912

Back in the days Nokia phones tended to be different. They weren't just boring candy bars or slabs of glass. Nokia also tried out new/different things.

Originally Posted by pishta74

Great text, and this is completely what I was aiming for!
All the phones nowadays are just boring bricks with the same features.
I could kill for a nice QWERTY phone like the E7 was back then, even on Android. and I certanly hope that returning of the Nokia brand into the business would push again some more creativity into it.

Originally Posted by pichlo

And my point was that software-wise they were the same in the Symbian days too, so I really do not get this nostalgia after the "good old days". Different variants of Symbian do not count, you may as well count different versions of Android and the variety of vendor-specific launchers today.

I give you that there is no hardware variation. I addressed that in post #6. There is little point repeating it again.



I absolutely agree with the different league bit, although perhaps not for the reason you expect. I occurred to me the other day when I was reading yet another post somewhere about yet another wish for a Sailfish phone. It reminded me of the times in a socialist contry that no longer exists, how excited we were about the release of the new model of Škoda. At the time when the rest of the world was driving Fords, Volkwagens and Toyotas.

Sailfish is just like that. Years behind everyone else and the gap is widening. There is little hope in getting the basics, like a working keyboard or a separation of "select" and "copy". We had to wait three years for such a basic feature as a character counter in SMS. Things that are considered basic on other OSes, like screen sharing or data mirroring for example, are completely beyond the realms of dreaming. And we have a clientele that are actually [i]thankful[/u] for that

TOH was a good concept. Not revolutionary but good. It was something that made Jolla stand out a little, in the world of no variety. In biological terms, it was not like a difference between breathing water and breathing air, not even like the difference between eating grass and eating meat, it was more like the difference between one hump and two. But in the world where all animals are air-breathing, grass-eating single-humped camels, two humps might make a difference. And what did Jolla do with this one single advantage they had over others? They killed it. Not just once, but twice! First by using it for the most useless thing imaginable, then by dropping it altogether.

Other than TOH, what does really Jolla offer that the others don't? Sailfish phones are just as boring as any other hardware-wise and not really that exciting software-wise. When someone showed people that phones did not have to be wired to the wall, that was something new. When someone showed them that they did not need a keyboard after all, that was something new again. What does Jolla and Sailfish bring new to the world? A slightly different UI? Don't make me laugh.