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GeneralAntilles |
2008-04-03
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#31
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Originally Posted by smog
It's way more than a 20% jump (almost a 100% jump in MHz, and more than that in performance due to the presence of an FPU and general processing improvements of the OMAP2 versus the OMAP1).
Originally Posted by desiv
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but your opinion isn't really valid until you have some sort of basis for comparison—using the N800 is so much more pleasant than using the 770.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I'm sorry, but for me, the total page rendering speed including downloading the page is not more than 20% faster on the n800. ( no i'm not on dial-up
It's way more than a 20% jump (almost a 100% jump in MHz, and more than that in performance due to the presence of an FPU and general processing improvements of the OMAP2 versus the OMAP1).
)using the N800 is so much more pleasant than using the 770.
for the main question :
Hello, I have an opportunity to buy the 770 for 100$ CAN. Is it worth it or should I buy the N800 . Is there a huge performance difference for twice the price?
Last edited by smog; 2008-04-03 at 19:39.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
For me it was keyboard, usable cover, size, display readable outside with no backlight and also gps as a small bonus. N800 is about same size (well, slightly thicker) as 770 with cover attached. For taking it with me anywhere I would need to buy additional cover which costs something and would make the device even bigger. As 770 was good enough I never felt it is worth the hassle to take N800 outside. N810 cover is not as sturdy as 770 but at least fits perfectly and is not dangerous to the device so I am finally not afraid to take it with me and advantages over 770 are finally obvious.
What, exactly, is the advantage of the N810 over the N800, in your use case, that would merit its recommendation over the N800?
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2008-04-03
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>I don't want to sound like a jerk, but your opinion isn't really valid until you have some sort of basis for comparison—using the N800 is so much more pleasant than using the 770.
Well, actually, you still do. You know, just saying you don't want to do something, and then doing it anyway, might even be worse. But I've read you're other threads, so :-) :-)
However, I was stating my opinion to the original poster, and I was fully disclosing my status.
You might not think my opinion matters, but he might. And he might not, se la vie.
You should ask yourself why you think it's important for other people's opinions to have less value than yours? You really shouldn't have to compensate.. You're opinions are just as valid as everyone else's.
desiv
Well, actually, you still do. You know, just saying you don't want to do something, and then doing it anyway, might even be worse. But I've read you're other threads, so :-) :-)
However, I was stating my opinion to the original poster, and I was fully disclosing my status.
You might not think my opinion matters, but he might. And he might not, se la vie.
You should ask yourself why you think it's important for other people's opinions to have less value than yours? You really shouldn't have to compensate.. You're opinions are just as valid as everyone else's.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Well, while browsing you are mostly waiting for network. Stock 770 felt slow to me in almost everything but 770 booted from MMC with 48MHz mmc speed and swap enabled is good enough. And now you can fit 8GB microSDHC so even space is OK. FPU is still not used much in current system (because most code is compiled to thumb mode which does not get along well with VFP) so it is not such big advantage.
It's way more than a 20% jump (almost a 100% jump in MHz, and more than that in performance due to the presence of an FPU and general processing improvements of the OMAP2 versus the OMAP1).
Overall it is true that N800 is faster and still has much room to grow while 770 is already maxed out so we can't expect further miracles. But still I wonder how webkit or newer firefox engine would run on 770, there is some chance it could be good replacement for Opera, current microb in 2007HE is not.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by Bundyo
I humbly DISAGREE. The 770 is an edge better in streaming video under videocenter. I have N810, N800 X3, and 770. However, I am just an end user, not much technical, so please dont jump on me
.... Video has the same performance, .....
.The 5 tablets are ALL maintained by myself and pretty much running all the latest OS, except the 770 which is running the 2007He (2007.26-8? the one before the 2008 release). Under Videocenter, especially my favorite Catie Koric of CBS evening news, the whole 30 min news streaming is silk smooth and enjoyable till the last frame on the 770, while the N800 and N810 will run for less than a minute and start choking, stuttering, and let it go for 5 min, sometimes it just gives a black screen with audio continue, no video at all. This is streaming on N800 or N810. So, I download the file. Again, on 770, watching the downloaded file is silk smooth. While the N800 and N810 is doing fine at the beginning and it starts to drop frames, stuttering etc after 10 min or so. ABC or NBC is even worst. Somehow the CBS encoding/server or whatnot is the best for the tablet.
Bottomline:
I can watch a 30 min CBS streaming on 770 while I cannot even enjoy a downloaded 30 min CBS news on the N800 or the N810.
The above are all tested under similar conditions: all freshly booted without any other program running.
All are MMC booted.....................umm, you going to ask me how about internal flash boot? have not tried yet, will post later...
BTW, I complaint about the videocenter on the N8x0, I do think the N800 is a much better buy then the 770, many order of magnitude better. I think the videocenter thing is a software issue which eventually going to be work out....likely by Bundyo again, his mplayer rc2 thread.
bun
Last edited by bunanson; 2008-04-03 at 21:08.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I second with all my 10 fingers and, take off my shoe, my 10 toes.
...using the N800 is so much more pleasant than using the 770.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by bunanson
Might be worth trying. Having system on mmc can sometimes cause audoi stuttering. At least with stock media player or internet radio applet, not sure about mplayer. The problem is that since 2.6.18 kernel, mmcqd kernel thread has higher priority than audio daemon so with random mmc writing audio may stutter. If you hear this try to run
the whole 30 min news streaming is silk smooth and enjoyable till the last frame on the 770, while the N800 and N810 will run for less than a minute and start choking, stuttering, and let it go for 5 min
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All are MMC booted.....................umm, you going to ask me how about internal flash boot? have not tried yet, will post later...
Code:
renice 0 `pidof mmcqd`
As for 770 being better in smooth playback, maybe kernel preemption helps too. N8x0 kernel is not preemptible so latency in kernel may be higher.
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Last edited by fanoush; 2008-04-03 at 21:45.
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2008-04-03
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Originally Posted by fanoush
Might be worth trying. Having system on mmc can sometimes cause audoi stuttering. At least with stock media player or internet radio applet, not sure about mplayer. The problem is that since 2.6.18 kernel, mmcqd kernel thread has higher priority than audio daemon so with random mmc writing audio may stutter. If you hear this try to runas root to check if it goes away. Good place to run it is somewhere inside /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh script which is run after mmc card is inserted. I have mentioned this few times but nobody ever complains about it so maybe it happens just to me :-)Code:renice 0 `pidof mmcqd`
As for 770 being better in smooth playback, maybe kernel preemption helps too. N8x0 kernel is not preemptible so latency in kernel may be higher.
I am sorry that I misused the word 'stuttering'. I mean video 'stuttering', the audio is fine on all the tablets, but the video starts to go bad after couple of minutes run on streaming data or 6-7 minutes run upon watching a downloaded file. This is the N8x0. Whereas the 770 is silk smooth both audio and video on both streaming or downloaded files. The point I try to make is, bandwidth does not seem to be the culprit, and sadly to say, with the current status of the videocenter, the 770 seems to be slightly better than the N8x0s
The kernel preemption may be the solution, I will give a shot after I understand it, right now I am trying to run under internal flash and see whether the N8x0s fair better, just a few seconds, I will post.....
bun
Last edited by bunanson; 2008-04-03 at 22:09.
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2008-04-03
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i ve used both. The n800 is definitely well worth the money it is going at presently.
Just get it.
Just get it.