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2008-02-25 , 14:35
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#31
Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
Because seriously, if the focus of the IT was on something else and it provided the same internet experience all the reviews would be stellar. While the web browser on the N8x0 is awesome, it pales in comparison to a desktop.
Which is great, but the fact is, features like "excellent Microsoft Office compatibility" don't come free. They require the investment of people and time—people and time that would come from the browser team, or the UI team, or the communication team, etc, etc. Sure, it's nice to talk about, but it isn't as easy as it sounds.
 
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2008-02-25 , 14:41
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Originally Posted by rcadden View Post
Lol, how's that different, aside from the desktop, than now?

"The new Nokia N810 provides a superb multimedia experience with a gorgeous 4.1" 800x480 screen, while providing best in class web browser based on the popular Firefox desktop browser. You can stream internet radio, keep in touch with your friends on your favorite instant messenger or social website, and when you're done, it fits in your front pocket!"
It needs a focus that it IS good at, and document editing is something the current tablets COULD do. Multimedia support is weak due to hardware limitations, both in storage and capability (tearing, low bit rates).

The multimedia experience is NOT superb. There is no media management, and video is sub-par. The built in media player is adequate at best, and Canola needs to be installed to give a decent front end.

You buy an iPod Touch and its very straight forward, you fill up iTunes and it syncs down automatically. You can purchase movies and music, subscribe to podcasts and its sync'd. That is what end users need, they are not technical like us.

I love the N810... they keyboard has transformed this device for me, as I like to IM heavily. These are just my thoughts on helping it go mass market
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2008-02-25 , 14:43
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#33
Originally Posted by rcadden View Post
Lol, how's that different, aside from the desktop, than now?

"The new Nokia N810 provides a superb multimedia experience with a gorgeous 4.1" 800x480 screen, while providing best in class web browser based on the popular Firefox desktop browser. You can stream internet radio, keep in touch with your friends on your favorite instant messenger or social website, and when you're done, it fits in your front pocket!"
It is tricky to market these things I guess. Selling something by saying what features it does not have (PIM,GSM, synching,office compatibility) wouldn't work. But by not mentioning it you will get reviews like these.
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2008-02-25 , 15:05
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#34
Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
It needs a focus that it IS good at, and document editing is something the current tablets COULD do. Multimedia support is weak due to hardware limitations, both in storage and capability (tearing, low bit rates).

The multimedia experience is NOT superb. There is no media management, and video is sub-par. The built in media player is adequate at best, and Canola needs to be installed to give a decent front end.

You buy an iPod Touch and its very straight forward, you fill up iTunes and it syncs down automatically. You can purchase movies and music, subscribe to podcasts and its sync'd. That is what end users need, they are not technical like us.

I love the N810... they keyboard has transformed this device for me, as I like to IM heavily. These are just my thoughts on helping it go mass market
I agree, just pointing out that the marketing should point to what the device is designed for, and that simply adding an office suite doesn't necessarily make it a stellar device all of a sudden. There are people out there (such as myself) that don't really use office docs at all, be it word, excel, or powerpoint, and find the N810/OS2008, in its current form, more than perfect for 'getting work done' and media usage.

I still don't think the Tablets should have been lumped in with Nseries, nor Eseries, for that matter. It almost feels like they looped into the successful one just to take advantage of the marketing, which somewhat backfired, as is apparent in this thread and nearly every review.
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Originally Posted by Zuber View Post
I don't get the one device obsession. I used to be on it myself (last device was a HTC universal with extended battery - Brick).

But have come to the conclusion that if I want a big screen, then it is not practical to have a 1 device solution. 2 devices works well. 1 big screen and then any phone (with 3G and BT support) you want.

Until there is a change in technology, 2 devices works best for me. Still waiting for something lightweight that projects straight onto your retina or perhaps a scroll type roll out screen. Then, a big screen and a single device might be an option.

It has allowed me to get a Nokia N82 with great Camera, flash, 3G etc. and when push really comes to shove, I can leave one of them at home etc.

1 device stays in your pocket while you use the other one all seamlessly. Where's the problem.

Also, I assume most people would rather not pay for 2 phone contracts when 1 will do just fine ?

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I use to feel the same way about the one device obsession, but since getting my N800, it was a lot of fun for awhile and I took it everwhere. I now, however, find myself leaving it home more and more. The problem is, it doesn't do ANYTHING really well, including web browsing, for which it is supposed to be designed. For me, if I'm going to carry a second device it might as well be a small laptop, which is ever so much more capable and only moderately more inconvenient to carry. It's gotten to where I leave the N800 at home so much, I wonder why I even still have it. It is what I call a tweaner, not really great at doing anything. The most useful feature I've found is as a better Skype wifi phone than any of the ones currently on the market (it at least allows for logging on to the web at free hotspots like Panera), but who wants to carry around headphones or use it as a speakerphone in public.

As a GPS, the n800 is a poor solution. Very limited software and poor screen for use outside and in a car. As a media player, I'd have to re-encode most of the videos I've previously encoded because of the limited file format support. As a internet tablet, it chokes on most sites that have videos and is otherwise very slow.

In a nutshell, it seems to be a great device for linux hobbists, but for mainstream users that want something that performs a few inportant functions well, right out of the box, there is very little there.
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
features like "excellent Microsoft Office compatibility" don't come free.
There is no such thing as "excellent Microsoft Office compatibility", Microsoft has insured that by changing document formats often and documenting them rarely. Hell, even Office itself fails loading older Office files correctly.

But, as long as you are comfortable with "decent Microsoft Office compatibility", any company that is making office suites for Symbian/S60 (there are three or four) can be persuaded to port its stuff to Maemo, for a reasonable fee. I am guessing the "reasonable" figure from the assumption that they are not making fortunes selling office suites for 240x320 mobile phones.
 
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Originally Posted by sebring View Post
For me, if I'm going to carry a second device it might as well be a small laptop, which is ever so much more capable and only moderately more inconvenient to carry.
Moderately!? You're kidding, right? On what world is, "requires carrying a bag or backpack" "moderately" more inconvenient than sticking something in your pocket and being done with it? <_<

Originally Posted by fms View Post
There is no such thing as "excellent Microsoft Office compatibility", Microsoft has insured that by changing document formats often and documenting them rarely. Hell, even Office itself fails loading older Office files correctly.
Er, my point didn't really have anything to do with Office support specifically . . . simply that adding PIM/Office/business applications isn't a cost-free endeavor, and that other core features will suffer from the loss of resources. Nice points, though, I guess. :\
 
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Yeah, I don't get most of Sebring's comments, either.

My N800 (and/or N810) come into the car with me for a variety of reasons, a big one being web browsing on the go (no, not while driving ). A laptop is just too bulky IMO to be even considered now that the tablets are available. Often I just need a movie showtime, business address or something similar and the tablets blow laptops away in that regard.
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Originally Posted by iamthewalrus View Post
It is tricky to market these things I guess. Selling something by saying what features it does not have (PIM,GSM, synching,office compatibility) wouldn't work. But by not mentioning it you will get reviews like these.
It shouldn't be that way though, walrus. Reviewers, of all people, should do their homework. Period. Complaining by supposed professionals about the lack of nonadvertised (and especially unintended) features is irresponsible. Those folks have an obligation to their readers to get details correct, and when they don't, they are failing.

Nokia certainly shares responsibility for misunderstandings, but at the end of the day it is up to the reviewers to be accurate.
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
It shouldn't be that way though, walrus. Reviewers, of all people, should do their homework. Period. Complaining by supposed professionals about the lack of nonadvertised (and especially unintended) features is irresponsible. Those folks have an obligation to their readers to get details correct, and when they don't, they are failing.

Nokia certainly shares responsibility for misunderstandings, but at the end of the day it is up to the reviewers to be accurate.
I agree 100%. As someone who reviews handsets (and tablets) for a living, it's my job to focus on THAT device, apart from other handsets. I carry an N95 as my personal phone. If I reviewed every handset in context/comparison to that, you'd be hard pressed to find a good one.

I also agree with someone on the idea of the 2nd device. The Tablet, imo, is a perfect balance.

I don't want my phone integrated, because sometimes I don't want to carry such a large device, I just need the phone. However, I also don't want to have to lug a laptop around with me for menial tasks, such as blog posting and cropping pics and streaming media and whatnot.

That's why I can't say I compare the N810 to the EeePC, for instance. The N810 fits in a pocket, the EeePC requires a bag. The story ends right there.
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