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#31
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
There IS a hostility in persistence when you are tearing apart another person's mode of dialog or discovery.
Persistence, yes, because I believe it is less-than-productive way of doing things and I believe there's a better way to do it.

Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
You may not like it, may not agree with it, but your choice of response is petty at best. Just let it go.
I would ask you to do the same. You lost your head, you stormed out, and you still seem to be holding a lot of animosity towards Jaffa and myself for it. Just let it go yourself.
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#32
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
The creation of the poll itself seems to imply that you believe that there are more positive aspects to including Thanks! in the Off Topic forum than not. Why else would you create the poll?

That is true GA, but after reading your posts, I can understand where you are coming from. So lets try to read each post as they come and try to understand the intent. The point is honest and open discussion is needed always. I am as guilty as anyone of seeing RED and typing things I probably shouldn't. I have realized lately that I need to be more careful as to some of the things I say or do as they can be misconstrued, and I can seem to stir others into a frenzy. I enjoy debating ideas and can change my opinions based on learned information.

Every conversation does not have to be a fight.
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#33
Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
These are all good things aren't they??
I like forum polls when used for entertainment purposes, but I'm somewhat skeptical of their value in gauging community option.
  • They're only responded to by a self-selected subset of those who happen to visit the forum and read the poll.
  • In general, they're built in the same fast-and-lose way as entertainment polls, rather than in a careful manner. The questions are often leading, and the available responses almost always exclude a wide range of viable alternatives.
  • They'd be easy to game, should someone want to do so. I'm not fond of the eligible voter limits placed on Council elections and maemo.org referendums, but they appear to be a necessary evil.

Lest anyone think otherwise, I want to be clear that none of the above is specifically directed at penguinbait or his polls. It's not even specific to talk.maemo.org. It's just my general feelings on forum polls.
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#34
Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
I like forum polls when used for entertainment purposes, but I'm somewhat skeptical of their value in gauging community option.
  • They're only responded to by a self-selected subset of those who happen to visit the forum and read the poll.
  • In general, they're built in the same fast-and-lose way as entertainment polls, rather than in a careful manner. The questions are often leading, and the available responses almost always exclude a wide range of viable alternatives.
  • They'd be easy to game, should someone want to do so. I'm not fond of the eligible voter limits placed on Council elections and maemo.org referendums, but they appear to be a necessary evil.

Lest anyone think otherwise, I want to be clear that none of the above is specifically directed at penguinbait or his polls. It's not even specific to talk.maemo.org. It's just my general feelings on forum polls.
This is why I have been pushing for a more formal process from communication and how to raise topics to higher visibility within the community.

As of now this is the tools we have. I am not saying its the right solution, its just the only one I see to be able to show support. Nobody is counting points in the threads to see who has more support or where the consensus lies.

So if we look at some of the threads lately and some of the adamant support against them by council, Quim, Reggie, like the Dark option poll. I truly believe that if there had been no poll's, there would have been no change, at least not as quickly as it happened.

So again until a better option, (which I am pushing for) comes along, this is the tools I have and like to use
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#35
Originally Posted by mullf View Post
How about allowing thanks in the Off Topic forum for those who would like to/feel the need to thank posts that they like/appreciate, but not have any thanks in the Off Topic forum count in the karma calculation? (I know this might be a pain-in-the-*** to implement.)
I agree with mulf, and this post is a perfect example of why!

I would have just clicked Thanks! to indicate my agreement. But since this is Off-Topic, I have to post if I want to show agreement.

But insofar as accumulating Thanks!es adds to karma and respect, it's inappropriate to have in Off-Topic. (Even though, of course, there would be inconsistency as some of us click Thanks! for posts that show good humor, for posts with which we agree but aren't "useful" per se, etc. -- but we don't need to be perfectly consistent.)

I voted Yes! but I'd retract that vote in favor of a special Off Topic version of Thanks! that doesn't add to Thanks!es received or karma.
 

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#36
What is so difficult to just post a 'Thanks!' to a thread here in off-topic?

Here's what I think:
  1. Thanks! should not be available in off-topic, the same way off-topic posts do not count to post count
  2. If it should be, remove Thanks! from maemo.org karma computation. Why get karma for talking about religion, politics, your dog, or your favorite sci-fi movie.
  3. If it needs to be in the karma, there should be something to counter act it like a No Thanks! or some kind of negative reputation. While we're at it, lets implement an automatic ban (for a week) for members like getting No Thanks! on a post, from say 30 senior members.
  4. Maybe we should just remove Off-topic
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo View Post
I agree with mulf, and this post is a perfect example of why!

I would have just clicked Thanks! to indicate my agreement. But since this is Off-Topic, I have to post if I want to show agreement.

But insofar as accumulating Thanks!es adds to karma and respect, it's inappropriate to have in Off-Topic. (Even though, of course, there would be inconsistency as some of us click Thanks! for posts that show good humor, for posts with which we agree but aren't "useful" per se, etc. -- but we don't need to be perfectly consistent.)

I voted Yes! but I'd retract that vote in favor of a special Off Topic version of Thanks! that doesn't add to Thanks!es received or karma.
Ah, back to the discussion

I also agree this is a good idea. However I was not intending to make further work for Reggie and do not even know if this can be done? I was figuring it would just turn on. If it was going to be work, I would just continue to quote a post and say thanks personally, it probably means more that way

I personally am not worried about people getting undeserved karma. karma is karma, thanks is thanks for a contributing member.

I understand GA's point too, but this could also have an opposite effect where when things like that happen, some of those thanks, may save of from even more inflammatory posts. (maybe we should run a study )

I think that however we should all act like grown up's including the children (young and old) participating on the this forum. I know I have vehemently disagreed with people on this forum, about a range of topics, from politics and presidential polls, to gun laws, to how we see the world in general. No matter how mad we may get we must understand that, the person disagreeing with you, wants the exact same thing you do. To make this community better. On this commonality we can heal are divides and work together. Sometimes it takes a few deep breaths, and an open mind.

To be clear, I am not passionate about this cause, itts just a discussion

Nothing can change, I am OK with that, again, open dialogue is good
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#38
Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
What is so difficult to just post a 'Thanks!' to a thread here in off-topic?

Here's what I think:
  1. Thanks! should not be available in off-topic, the same way off-topic posts do not count to post count
  2. If it should be, remove Thanks! from maemo.org karma computation. Why get karma for talking about religion, politics, your dog, or your favorite sci-fi movie.
  3. If it needs to be in the karma, there should be something to counter act it like a No Thanks! or some kind of negative reputation. While we're at it, lets implement an automatic ban (for a week) for members like getting No Thanks! on a post, from say 30 senior members.
I just went to hit thanks, but I couldn't

So, Thanks
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#39
Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
I just went to hit thanks, but I couldn't

So, Thanks
Of course you WOULD have been able to if this was in the maemo.org forum, like it should be

We're talking about the forums here... is anyone going to move this into maemo.org? There is some very NOT off topic discussion going on here...
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How about replacing "Thanks!" in Off-Topic with "Aye!" ? :-)
 

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