Originally Posted by zerojay

You might be remembering my situation which I was very vocal about at the time. I was an exception to the general rule. Most people received their developer device promptly...

Originally Posted by zerojay

...While I understand what you're trying to say, I feel that this would only hurt in the end. Bloggers would pick up on this and suddenly we would have 20 thousand new users with absolutely zero interest in anything except potentially getting a new device free and would go away again afterwards. I'm not sure exactly how that would help our community one bit.

Originally Posted by qgil

penguinbait & co: relax and concentrate on the real stuff. Everything will be fine.

Originally Posted by YoDude

It's not always all about you z...

Originally Posted by YoDude

What I am trying to say is it is a dang lottery now anyway if the way karma is calculated keeps changing.

Originally Posted by YoDude

What I am also trying to say is that we now have or will soon have many more members. Not all of them will be developers. I also suspect, from my casual observations, that perhaps some recipients of previous developer devices may not have developed a dang thing... again a lottery for Nokia and this community over intended results.

Originally Posted by YoDude

BTW, I betcha everyone of those new members who happen to snag a free device will keep coming back. And if the device is as hot as those who got a free one so far say it is, I doubt all but the winners will go away.

Originally Posted by YoDude

I guess its time to figure out what we want this community to be... a secret club house with shibboleths and pressure to maintain the status quo or an inclusive group that represents the vanguard of a movement that may effect the users of many future devices.

Originally Posted by zerojay

Good, that ship has sailed away long ago and no longer needs to be brought up.



Maybe I didn't notice it but I don't remember it changing anytime recently. Please point it out to me if it has.



Despite the name, not everyone handed a device was expected to develop something but they are expected to continue to contribute in some positive manner to Maemo, be it through testing/bug tracking, feedback, being an idea person, etc... Not everyone has to be or is expected to be a developer.



But the goal isn't to just simply get people to simply come back but to get them to contribute positively to Maemo. (Maybe that's what you mean when you say "coming back", it's not easy to tell. If so, ignore the above.)



First, you're complaining that we're changing things too much, such as karma calculations and now you're complaining that we're trying to keep everything the same... in the very same post. What?

Nothing secret's going on. Everything's out in the open as far as we know. Some currently serving council members are purposely stepping down to allow new blood to come in. Council meetings and agendas are posted to the wiki, completely open to one and all. How exactly is that being "a secret club house" applying "pressure to maintain the status quo" in any way, shape or form?

This is all getting absurd.

Originally Posted by YoDude

First off I'm not complaining... just stating what I think would be obvious to a casual observer. (we have many of them now, BTW)

Second off... I could give a rats *** for a free device. I paid my money and believe I got value for my purchase.

...and BTW changing the rules in mid game to ensure a predetermined outcome IS protecting the status quo. (Take it from someone who grew up with older brothers )

... again, I do not know if this is the case, I have only stated how I beleive it may appear.
How I see things may be different then the way you see things.

Also... I'm not getting heated here and I'm not trying to protect anyones position...

Originally Posted by zerojay

Yeah, you probably do have a completely different viewpoint here because I haven't even got a clue who you're even refering to when you say someone's trying to protect the status quo.