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	allnameswereout	2009-10-22 , 06:10
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~~When on wiki.maemo.org and I use search it default not searches the wiki this is both illogic as well as inconvenient.~~

[EDIT]It does work, but when I searched for something I was sure was there ("MMS" was my query) while it returned no entries. On bottom, its written it searched through (main) and then further options I can select to search are provided including wiki.maemo.org

. Its unclear what these flags exactly do.[/EDIT]

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	ossipena	2009-10-22 , 06:48
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i can take full responsibility for

http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Basics

there's only one but:
i need ideas (new pages, improvement, ...)

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	allnameswereout	2009-10-30 , 11:43
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Originally Posted by ossipena

i can take full responsibility for

http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Basics

there's only one but:
i need ideas (new pages, improvement, ...)

How do I decide if something belongs to Basics or Users? May they overlap?

Because http://wiki.maemo.org does not show any of Basics.

My recent effort ('individual sprint') was to include Categories on bottom of wiki entries.

This also helped me learn more about current state of wiki.

One thing became apparent to me: we do not wikify enough while that is precisely one of the powerful features of wiki.

It confuses me that we have Talk:Article and that we also have Talk as in 'talk.maemo.org'. Am I only one for who this is sometimes confusing?

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	ossipena	2009-10-30 , 11:54
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout

How do I decide if something belongs to Basics or Users? May they overlap?

Because http://wiki.maemo.org does not show any of Basics.

My recent effort ('individual sprint') was to include Categories on bottom of wiki entries.

This also helped me learn more about current state of wiki.

One thing became apparent to me: we do not wikify enough while that is precisely one of the powerful features of wiki.

It confuses me that we have Talk:Article and that we also have Talk as in 'talk.maemo.org'. Am I only one for who this is sometimes confusing?

IMO some articles could belong to both.

basics = "Basics -section is for beginners. All wiki articles that are readable without any knowledge about *nix whatsoever."

so it is there only for collecting all articles suitable for noobs. i dont see any troubles overlapping with users - category.

i have no idea how to add the basics category to main wiki page. tried once and pretty much f*ckd everything up

i can try again soon though and see if another kind of approach works.

e: finally i got it, now look at wiki.maemo.org !

and please comment if you have something in mind. a small comment to me can make big difference.

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	allnameswereout	2009-10-30 , 12:00
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Originally Posted by ossipena

so it is there only for collecting all articles suitable for noobs. i dont see any troubles overlapping with users - category.

Yes OK point taken but should be minimized IMO. I'll have look in Category:Users

I have no idea how to add the basics category to main wiki page. tried once and pretty much f*ckd everything up i can try again soon though and see if another kind of approach works.

Hmm well took me some effort to understand. Just edit http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Basics and it will be synced with Main_Page

I, FWIW, want Main_Page user friendly for new users of N900/Fremantle and I'll weed through Category:Users to see if needs adjustment to Category:Basics and if can be included on Main_Page

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	qgil	2009-10-30 , 13:48
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout

[EDIT]It does work, but when I searched for something I was sure was there ("MMS" was my query) while it returned no entries. On bottom, its written it searched through (main) and then further options I can select to search are provided including wiki.maemo.org . Its unclear what these flags exactly do.[/EDIT]

Words of 1-3 characters are not indexed. It's a problem if you are searching for USB, ssh, "etc"...

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	allnameswereout	2009-10-30 , 14:33
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@ Ossipena, yes

however you didn't remove a similar entry from Template:Users (fixed now).

Like I said though, where to draw the line? Is installing an application from Extras 'Basics' or 'Users'?

Like I said, there is overlapping. The article Downloading apps overlaps with Extras article. I find Extras entry easier. But Downloading apps is 'Basics', and Extras is 'Users'. Extras is also linked to while Downloading apps is an orphan.

I think Basics and Users should merge, and when explaining *NIX stuff can copy/paste Wikipedia or link to Wikipedia. Eventually, the Category:Users is in such way covering both simple as well as advanced use-cases. In the latter case, it provides wikified references (which is currently not used enough!).

Originally Posted by qgil

Words of 1-3 characters are not indexed. It's a problem if you are searching for USB, ssh, "etc"...

Can this be fixed so words of 3 characters with capital are indexed? Or words of 3 character in general? So USB and SSH are indexed? This makes easier to manage. How else do you propose I work around it from practical point of view (situation as-is)?

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	qgil	2009-10-30 , 17:05
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Be my guest: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3363

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twaelti	2009-10-30 , 18:00
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I suggest a Category "Beginners" (Tutorials, everything that is missing from the manual, important apps/use-cases) and one "Power Users" (Advanced applications, "Hacks").
Also, "Application Developers" (Dev environments, languages, IDE, debug, package, upload to extras) and "Platform Developers" (components, upstream, extensions, plug-ins, MER)
This would allow to sort out most pages to one of these 4 reader categories, which should cover most of our public.

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	ossipena	2009-11-01 , 11:25
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Originally Posted by twaelti

I suggest a Category "Beginners" (Tutorials, everything that is missing from the manual, important apps/use-cases) and one "Power Users" (Advanced applications, "Hacks")

I agree. this would help getting rid of basics - users -confusing separation.

I'll add those two categories and after that we could see if old basics - users -categories could be removed entirely. or make those two new as a subcategory of users.