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	pycage	2009-11-12 , 22:11
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Good to see some things never change, not for 4 years.

- Nokia announces new device or firmware
- Phase 1: community gets excited and talks about great new stuff
- Phase 2: Nokia announces vague release date (or doesn't), community gets tired of waiting and begins talking all sorts of nonsense
- Phase 3: vague release date passes, community gets grumpy and some people threat, if Nokia doesn't release this soon, them I'm so gonna get a iPhone/Android/WinMo instead (as if anyone would care)
- Phase 4: Nokia releases a few days or weeks late, community gets excited about the new stuff
- Phase 5: Excitement phase is over, people talk about bugs and shortcomings, and start discussing about a successor. This phase lasts until the next announcement by Nokia, or until someone spots a new device in FCC documents. Goto Phase 1

Nothing's changed.

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DaveP1	2009-11-12 , 22:29
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Originally Posted by nymajoak

The issue concerns the rest of us, ie. non-Three customers. Personally I as a customer am officially annoyed if I have to wait several weeks extra for a product I have ordered for the only reason that other customers happen to have problems with the product.

If I am aware of the problem, am not affected by it and explicitly state I want delivery asap regardless of the status of the problem, the supplier should imho grant that request.

Nokia isn't selling to you, they're selling to Sweden. They would rather delay shipment to all Swedish customers than have to deal with the issue that the N900 just flat out doesn't work for some Swedes. Issues require explanations and explanations lead to more issues. It's easier to just say nothing.

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clob	2009-11-12 , 22:32
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Originally Posted by pycage

Good to see some things never change, not for 4 years.

- Nokia announces new device or firmware
- Phase 1: community gets excited and talks about great new stuff
- Phase 2: Nokia announces vague release date (or doesn't), community gets tired of waiting and begins talking all sorts of nonsense
- Phase 3: vague release date passes, community gets grumpy and some people threat, if Nokia doesn't release this soon, them I'm so gonna get a iPhone/Android/WinMo instead (as if anyone would care)
- Phase 4: Nokia releases a few days or weeks late, community gets excited about the new stuff
- Phase 5: Excitement phase is over, people talk about bugs and shortcomings, and start discussing about a successor. This phase lasts until the next announcement by Nokia, or until someone spots a new device in FCC documents. Goto Phase 1

Nothing's changed.

Ok, you got yours in the summit and have been hacking on these tablets since before Jesus Christ, thank you for your understanding.
And of course, you know all things about the "Sweden Situation"!

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Thor	2009-11-12 , 22:41
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Originally Posted by clob

Some responses
"Thor":
I live in Stockholm and of course I've been to Finland some times that way.... I've preordered with Swedish Nokia Shop and I don't think it's going to be any phones in near future in Helsinki shops.
Read what this Klas Ström wrote: "we want a larger volume". Finland and Sweden use same model (same keyboard).

I admit, if I lived in Sweden, I wouldn't be happy. It's unfair on those who don't use or care for the 3 network. The 3 network is a small one here in the UK, alongside Virgin. Hopefully they release the phone to those who aren't on 3, or at least give the option to manually upgrade on the proviso those on 3 know that it won't work for phone calls.

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nymajoak	2009-11-12 , 22:50
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Originally Posted by DaveP1

Nokia isn't selling to you, they're selling to Sweden. They would rather delay shipment to all Swedish customers than have to deal with the issue that the N900 just flat out doesn't work for some Swedes. Issues require explanations and explanations lead to more issues. It's easier to just say nothing.

I am well aware the "safe" decision to make is the one they appear to have made. It is probably also the right one from a corporate perspective. It would obviously be a disaster if Nokia delivered non-functioning devices to unwitting Three customers. I also see that Nokia cannot know which of the N preorders are from Three customers and which are not.

Do you disagree though that it would be service-minded of Nokia to oblige informed customers asking to not have their deliveries delayed?

It's not that I'm all that agitated. I can wait. It's just that quirks like these are unfortunate. And... the itch to get my hands on the device is growing...

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	pycage	2009-11-12 , 23:12
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Originally Posted by clob

Ok, you got yours in the summit and have been hacking on these tablets since before Jesus Christ, thank you for your understanding.
And of course, you know all things about the "Sweden Situation"!

Sorry, this post was meant to be funny, not offending.
Of course the Sweden situation is bad, but in the end it will be just a minor delay that will soon be forgotten. Delays happen all the time in the industry, but you usually don't notice them because the products were not announced yet. I'm sure the 3 SIM problem has very high priority at Nokia.

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	Saturn	2009-11-12 , 23:19
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It's a bad decision for the people on the other networks but it 's a good decision for the Swedish market.
I mean, the decision taken does not make one company (especially small and easier to destabilise) less desirable when the problem is on Nokia's side.

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clob	2009-11-12 , 23:41
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I repeat,

It's only in Sweden they make this EXTRA DELAY!

And there are other countries with the same operator.

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range	2009-11-12 , 23:48
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Originally Posted by anidel

I would remove that image...

Not good to have IMEI around.

Not good quoting the image then, too

So you should probably do the same - remove the image from your post.

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zico	2009-11-12 , 23:50
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Originally Posted by clob

I repeat,

It's only in Sweden they make this EXTRA DELAY!

And there are other countries with the same operator.

Yeah lads you should listen more.
All the countries that are getting the N900 are going to have the same issue as in Sweden. But Nokia decided not to release here, thats unfair and can't be explained.