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2007-01-09
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Originally Posted by Hedgecore
I screwed up at one point here and revealed too much of myself... lol. Then I discovered I am expected to be more discreet, so I edited my profile and my posting approach. So from now on I am in strict "neither confirm nor deny" and "need to know basis" modes. 
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2007-01-09
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Originally Posted by benny1967
GREAT IDEA
I'm happy to see more and more people mention the metal case. - I was beginning to think I was totally mad making my decision over such a high-tech toy partly depend on its cover
How about this:
We
- rebuild a case very similar to the 770, but wide enough to hold the electronic parts that are inside a N800. It should be black, have large, good-quality buttons, and of course the good old metal case.
- sell the new case through obscure channels, which will as a side effect earn us enough money to take over the world.
- put a step-by-step instruction on the web (including pictures) that allows even unexperienced users to take apart the ugly duckling, put all its valuable giblets into the new case and connect all the buttons/ports.
The print on the new case reads Nokia 870.
and we could put on a show to raise the money to do it!
Seriously what you suggest about the case is what Nokia should have done but I doubt they will admit their mistake. I even briefly considered buying a broken 770 for the case and seeing if I could make the 800 fit into it.
It's just a lost cause though and the iPhone looks to be the better choice now. It has Java and osX! Maybe a firefox browser too.
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2007-01-09
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I waited for new model and wanted to see what it would offer. When I saw it I was tempted to get one for dual SD and better performace, thought I would have wanted hw keyboard too. When I found out that once new model is out Nokia won't care about old machine I decided that I'm not going to pay 400 €/year to keep up with compatibility so it's better to cut my loses right now and stay with 770.
A year I've been telling people what is good about 770, what it is used for and what they can expect if they get one. I've liked it a lot, used it a lot and praised it too. This year I will be telling people wanting N800 what is life expectancy of this device and what will happend to N800 when next model comes out. If Nokia want's to shoot itself to the leg and not even patch the wound, I will make sure people see how it bleeds.
Last edited by Invicta; 2007-01-09 at 23:20.
A year I've been telling people what is good about 770, what it is used for and what they can expect if they get one. I've liked it a lot, used it a lot and praised it too. This year I will be telling people wanting N800 what is life expectancy of this device and what will happend to N800 when next model comes out. If Nokia want's to shoot itself to the leg and not even patch the wound, I will make sure people see how it bleeds.
Last edited by Invicta; 2007-01-09 at 23:20.
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2007-01-09
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Originally Posted by wls
But the iPhone doesn't have a case, yet you seem upset that the N800 does not have a case.
Seriously what you suggest about the case is what Nokia should have done but I doubt they will admit their mistake. I even briefly considered buying a broken 770 for the case and seeing if I could make the 800 fit into it.
It's just a lost cause though and the iPhone looks to be the better choice now.
I really don't see the iPhone and N800 competing - not with the iPhones puny screen resolution. Also, it's seriously expensive - $600 with a 2 year contract, probably closer to $1000 without a contract. It will make a nice vanity phone though.
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2007-01-09
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Originally Posted by Hedgecore
Brave words, true perhaps. The thing that really irritates me personally is that Nokia banked on all these poor saps who saw a device with neat features and ran linux. These saps (of whom I personally partake) have put up with the many bugs, growing pains, and warts inherent to a new linux distribution -what it really is-, both out of altruism, but also out of desire to participate in the platform as it turns into something really special. It's at this point that reality intrudes and we're suddenly thrust aside, unable to continue our association. Dumb, dumb, dumb. So, -fools we are- we will be excused if we sniffle a bit and throw dust and rocks at the retreating back of the huckster who took us in and relieved us of our ill-conceived hopes and cash.
Brand loyalty? This may be the silly kid with bright red spiked hair and patched up clothing from days gone by speaking here, but what exactly do these corporations owe you? You bought a product, a new one came out... your lips are quivering and your eyes are welling up because how dare they come out with a new product they intend to sell for more market share.
Larry
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2007-01-09
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
I see the case as a unique and usefull idea and part of the 770's appeal. Dropping that design was a mistake and a symptom of how Nokia has lost it's vision of the device.
But the iPhone doesn't have a case, yet you seem upset that the N800 does not have a case.
I really don't see the iPhone and N800 competing - not with the iPhones puny screen resolution. Also, it's seriously expensive - $600 with a 2 year contract, probably closer to $1000 without a contract. It will make a nice vanity phone though.
I'm not looking for that case in the iphone, it has its own integrety of style. I don't want it to be a 870 wannanbe it's better than that.
I believe the price quoted by Jobs is $499 and there should be a discount with service. I do expect some kind of pay video service that will cost extra though. If it turns out to be much more then I may reconsider and look for a UMPC. We shall see.
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2007-01-09
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Originally Posted by wls
Everything I've read says $499 with a 2 year contract (at $60 per month).
I see the case as a unique and usefull idea and part of the 770's appeal. Dropping that design was a mistake and a symptom of how Nokia has lost it's vision of the device.
I'm not looking for that case in the iphone, it has its own integrety of style. I don't want it to be a 870 wannanbe it's better than that.
I believe the price quoted by Jobs is $499 and there should be a discount with service. I do expect some kind of pay video service that will cost extra though. If it turns out to be much more then I may reconsider and look for a UMPC. We shall see.
In my opinion, I don't see the iPhone in the same bracket and until we have some devices with 800 pixel wide screens there is no real competiton if you want a decent web experience.
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2007-01-10
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Man, I must definitely be in the minority here, but I like the looks of the N800. The 770 was a good design in it's own right, but to normal people who don't hang out on tech sites all day long, it was probably a confusing-looking product. Is it a remote control? Is it a Walkman? Well, it sorta is, but you get my point...the 770 just looks so different from most consumer electronics, whereas the N800 would look right at home next to many of today's popular cellphones and laptops. Silver and chrome trim is everywhere we look now, even in many automobile interiors.
I have to admit, those top buttons do look like a downgrade in comparison to the 770, and I don't like the fact that you have to prop the stand open to get to the USB port (Dremel drill anyone?), but everything else is better. And I applaud Nokia for trying to take it more mainstream, because there are many more "normal" users out there than us tech-heads, which means more business for Nokia. More owners = more innovation and improvements. Plus, eveyone is compaining about the discontinuation of support for the 770...I haven't seen anything from Nokia that said "no more support", unless I missed it. When Microsoft switches over to Vista in a month, XP support will wane a bit, but many millions of users will continue to use it for another 3-5 years, just like what happened with Windows 98 way back when. Same thing will apply to the 770, there will be two roadmaps, both with support and diehard users...
As for that metal cover on the 770, again I am in the minority here, because I *never* used mine, not even once. It was slid on the back side and never removed until I got my PDair leather case, at which time the metal cover went back in the 770 box. I put a PSP screen protector on from Day 1, and kept it in the included pouch until I got the leather case. I really hate those detachable covers, because when you think about it, many people are more likely to have the device fly out of their hands while removing the cover, than they are to crush or crack their screens. I could be wrong, but that's my take on the matter...
I had previously mentioned that I probably wouldn't be getting the new model because I have a Sony UX280P, but I may have waffled a bit...I really like the upgraded processor and RAM on the N800, not to mention the dual slots - that right there vaults this more into the "multimedia" category...
Last edited by orbitalcomp; 2007-01-10 at 00:11.
I have to admit, those top buttons do look like a downgrade in comparison to the 770, and I don't like the fact that you have to prop the stand open to get to the USB port (Dremel drill anyone?), but everything else is better. And I applaud Nokia for trying to take it more mainstream, because there are many more "normal" users out there than us tech-heads, which means more business for Nokia. More owners = more innovation and improvements. Plus, eveyone is compaining about the discontinuation of support for the 770...I haven't seen anything from Nokia that said "no more support", unless I missed it. When Microsoft switches over to Vista in a month, XP support will wane a bit, but many millions of users will continue to use it for another 3-5 years, just like what happened with Windows 98 way back when. Same thing will apply to the 770, there will be two roadmaps, both with support and diehard users...
As for that metal cover on the 770, again I am in the minority here, because I *never* used mine, not even once. It was slid on the back side and never removed until I got my PDair leather case, at which time the metal cover went back in the 770 box. I put a PSP screen protector on from Day 1, and kept it in the included pouch until I got the leather case. I really hate those detachable covers, because when you think about it, many people are more likely to have the device fly out of their hands while removing the cover, than they are to crush or crack their screens. I could be wrong, but that's my take on the matter...
I had previously mentioned that I probably wouldn't be getting the new model because I have a Sony UX280P, but I may have waffled a bit...I really like the upgraded processor and RAM on the N800, not to mention the dual slots - that right there vaults this more into the "multimedia" category...
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2007-01-10
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Originally Posted by orbitalcomp
I admit, one bad habit that easily develops is when you want to change the cover quickly and you let the 770 "drop" into the cover at a dangerous speed (simply because it's faster that way, you're impatient, you let gravity do the work...) If I ever crack the bottom, that's how it'll happen.
I really hate those detachable covers, because when you think about it, many people are more likely to have the device fly out of their hands while removing the cover, than they are to crush or crack their screens. I could be wrong, but that's my take on the matter...
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2007-01-10
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Originally Posted by uczmeg
$499/$599 for the 4GB/8GB model.
Everything I've read says $499 with a 2 year contract (at $60 per month).
Originally Posted by uczmeg
Amen to that, brother.
In my opinion, I don't see the iPhone in the same bracket and until we have some devices with 800 pixel wide screens there is no real competiton if you want a decent web experience.