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2010-01-14
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This quote is appropriate 
"But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display ..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."
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2010-01-14
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I avoided this forum a long time because I felt like I'm in a nutshell on a big ocean. For me the number of postings was (and is!) overwhelming. No chance to keep really up to date.
On the other hand it would be clearly not better to have all of the tmo noise on mailing lists. High traffic mailing lists are hard to follow too.
For me now it's only a question of organization. I read the mailinglists (sometime more, sometime less) and I get an instant mail notification from tmo threads I have subscribed to (actual more than 80 but I think only a few are "active"). New threads I normaly only get by searching or using seeing something interesting in the "Active topics" section. That opens the "tmo"doors for me
I can clearly understand if there are people not willing to read tmo every day. I also cann accept if there are people not willing to subscribe to mailing lists. I simply think there will be always people active in both (and more!) communication channels and willing to build bridges between them. And there are way more of these channels: irc, wiki, wiki-talk, bugzilla, ... I believe that there will be some kind of self regulation.
On the other hand it would be clearly not better to have all of the tmo noise on mailing lists. High traffic mailing lists are hard to follow too.
For me now it's only a question of organization. I read the mailinglists (sometime more, sometime less) and I get an instant mail notification from tmo threads I have subscribed to (actual more than 80 but I think only a few are "active"). New threads I normaly only get by searching or using seeing something interesting in the "Active topics" section. That opens the "tmo"doors for me
I can clearly understand if there are people not willing to read tmo every day. I also cann accept if there are people not willing to subscribe to mailing lists. I simply think there will be always people active in both (and more!) communication channels and willing to build bridges between them. And there are way more of these channels: irc, wiki, wiki-talk, bugzilla, ... I believe that there will be some kind of self regulation.
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2010-01-14
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Maybe improving the web interface to the mailing lists (http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/ ) would work?
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2010-01-14
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This is a response to Dave from another thread.
Equally I have missed many discussions because they happened on the mailing list.
To me there are two options to fix this problem.
1) Put it all in one location
2) Sync them in some manner
When you get more people involved, there will be more noise.
Leaving them separate is NOT an option.
Originally Posted by dneary
So what you are saying is you are already missing many discussions that never made it to the mailing list?
Hi,
I agree, it is a pain.
It's ironic, though, that you posted to the mailing list (where the discussion started) to ask everyone there to come here (where penguinbait moved the discussion) and to repeat their points here for the benefit of everyone who doesn't read the list.
You would likely lose a lot of input from me if maemo-community were done away with in favour of tmo. I simply don't have the time to spend tracking every discussion in even one forum here.
Cheers,
Dave.
Equally I have missed many discussions because they happened on the mailing list.
To me there are two options to fix this problem.
1) Put it all in one location
2) Sync them in some manner
When you get more people involved, there will be more noise.
Leaving them separate is NOT an option.
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Again the statement to drop communication for a relevant minority. Sorry, 1) is not a first class solution, it is just a way to make the problem disppear. You are council member (representing all community members, since AFAIK we have no politic parties here) , how can you so lightheartly do this? For me 2) is the better and IMHO only option and I like to hear from you as a council member where the problem is with this approach? Syncing TMO and mailing lists is long discussed (and even long before current council if I remember correctly), but it never came. Why? Are there technical reason? If yes, they should at least be mentioned in this thread to make us start looking for alternative solutions? We now have several statements that TMO and mailing list may split the community and do harm and that people likely not move to the other side that easily that you wish they do.
To me there are two options to fix this problem.
1) Put it all in one location
2) Sync them in some manner
When you get more people involved, there will be more noise.
Leaving them separate is NOT an option.
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2010-01-14
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I don't see that penguinbait was favoring option 1 in his post-- rather, just pointing out the 2 diverse main solutions.
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2010-01-14
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Hi,
To be honest, email's great, and is a perfect work tool for storing & archiving selected discussions, building up an address-book of community contacts, and defining actionable messages which form the basis for a TODO list.
Is there any reason that using the community forum would make it easier for me to do the work I need to do?
Dave.
Originally Posted by qole
I'll happily switch to using the community forum when it gets some features that I have with the maemo-community mailing list:
I personally believe that the activity on the maemo-community list should be moved to the talk.maemo.org Community forum.
- The ability to store messages offline, and tag or label them so that I can save and easily identify those messages which require action from me
- Threaded discussions so that I can easily see who is replying to who
- Automatic and immediate notification of all new posts to the forum
- The ability to archive discussions that interest me to a separate view for later reference
- A dynamically updating list of people who I reply to and which I can use to contact them offline privately
To be honest, email's great, and is a perfect work tool for storing & archiving selected discussions, building up an address-book of community contacts, and defining actionable messages which form the basis for a TODO list.
Is there any reason that using the community forum would make it easier for me to do the work I need to do?
Dave.
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by qole
Personally, I prefer email and keep forgetting about all of the forums.
Hi all,
I personally believe that the activity on the maemo-community list should be moved to the talk.maemo.org Community forum.
This forum is a low-activity forum (no crazy post-a-minute threads here) and it can be tracked without too much pain by the wider community just by visiting the Community forum's front page now and then.
Because talk.maemo.org is more user-centric than the mailing lists (which tend to be more developer-centric), and because talk.maemo.org is so regularly and thoroughly indexed by Google, posts in this forum will receive wider attention, which is important for community issues.
Anyway, that's my position. Discuss and debate!
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2010-01-15
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I far prefer email too.
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