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2010-02-05 , 08:18
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looks good, but its still confusing. I guess im going to have to buy DROID and test it out for my self for a week or two just to see which phone should i get next.
 
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2010-02-05 , 08:35
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#32
How many fart apps are there in the android apps store?
If the fart apps comprise of less than 0.42% of the total number of apps, then it's a platform worth taking notes of.

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phuongymy is offline phuongymy
2010-02-05 , 09:20
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LOL.... that is really surprising. Nice find buddy
 
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2010-02-05 , 09:23
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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
AFAIK, nobody has demonstrated that if you use an Android phone you lose any more privacy than if you use a Maemo phone. Google tracks you when you use your Google apps or access Google sites regardless of what device you use to do that. Your carrier tracks you whenever you use your device regardless of what OS it's running.

If you want to condemn Google for the amount of data it has about the world's population, fine. But Android has nothing to do with it.
I am not sure about the Droid but on the G1 a Google Account is required to use the device. Period.
 

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2010-02-05 , 14:11
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Originally Posted by mrebanza View Post
I am not sure about the Droid but on the G1 a Google Account is required to use the device. Period.
Most Android phones require you to enter Google Account details before you can access any phone functions. Developer phones such as ADP2 will allow you to skip the registration process. If you choose to skip that step then you will be required to complete the registration before you can access any of the Google applications such as the marketplace.
Of course there's nothing at all preventing you from just creating a unique Google account for use with the phone: that way you don't give away any more personal information than if Google just recorded activity against the phone's internal identity. It's probably a futile exercise though: as soon as you start storing phone numbers in your contacts (which are then backed up to your Google account) or sending and receiving emails you might as well accept that Google knows everything you do.
 

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2010-02-05 , 14:17
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
How many fart apps are there in the android apps store?
If the fart apps comprise of less than 0.42% of the total number of apps, then it's a platform worth taking notes of.

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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=20
Androlib lists about 70 (7 pages of 10 but I couldn't be bothered clicking to the last one to see how many on that page) so that would be about 0.26%
 
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2010-02-05 , 14:51
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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
AFAIK, nobody has demonstrated that if you use an Android phone you lose any more privacy than if you use a Maemo phone. Google tracks you when you use your Google apps or access Google sites regardless of what device you use to do that. Your carrier tracks you whenever you use your device regardless of what OS it's running.

If you want to condemn Google for the amount of data it has about the world's population, fine. But Android has nothing to do with it.
If you have a Droid/N1, and use "most" of its functionality, Google has insight to the following, at minimum:

- If you want to transfer contacts from a non Android phone, list has to go to Google for conversion (Exchange excluded)...they know who you associate with.

- GVoice, they know who you contact, and for how long

- Turn on GPS, use for application and search assistance...they know where you are.

- Create custom maps and use Nav...they know your habits and where you're going.

- Calendar...they know when you're going to go.

- Use search/browse history to aid Google in helping you find what you're looking for...they know what you like.

- GDocs, stored online...they know what you're working on.

- "Backup my settings"...they know how you use your phone, and have copies of personal files stored on the phone (I did a full flash of phone and SD card, still got my wallpaper back...and then some?).

- You want a decent POP3 mail app, "have" to use Gmail...they have all your personal email.


Is Google using that info for your detriment, or their benefit? Who knows however the Droid, and or your gmail account, is one heck of a "single point of failure". Not recommended if you're a "person of interest".
 

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2010-02-05 , 21:19
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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
AFAIK, nobody has demonstrated that if you use an Android phone you lose any more privacy than if you use a Maemo phone. Google tracks you when you use your Google apps or access Google sites regardless of what device you use to do that. Your carrier tracks you whenever you use your device regardless of what OS it's running.

If you want to condemn Google for the amount of data it has about the world's population, fine. But Android has nothing to do with it.
I think colnago, Duncan, mrebanza have said it well. Phone companies know where you are and who you talk to, web searches can track your interest (I use adblock with easy privacy and search with scroogle.org scraper..these help a little), your router keep logs of your site, etc. My problem is that google is one company that collects a lot of info from multiple sources on any and all platforms, and as far as I can tell their main purpose is to make a profit from ad and tracking services. What happen if they're bought out, will the next owners have respect for your info.

This for me is too much, for other not so much. I'm just thankful that for now nokia is probably the only company that has HW/SW that is not tracking everything you do (they probably will eventually). I'm not saying android sucks, because it doesn't...there's actually some very cool tech going on there and with google other services. I just choose not to participate.

It's probably a loosing battle, but I'd like to hold on to what little privacy I might have left...

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2010-02-05 , 21:26
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The final straw for me, aside from the poor reception in my area,

http://androidforums.com/motorola-dr...light=homemade


...was when I flashed the Droid, and "everything" I had on the phone came back. I had no way of knowing, nor controlling, what went up, nor came down, from "Google's cloud". There wasn't even a way to control "when/how" the backup process initiates...and good luck finding out where that info is online, and what's there.

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2010-02-05 , 21:37
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colnago is spot-on here. Words cannot express how glad I was to find the N900 so I could have a killer phone with 3G, get away from Google/Android and keep the great deal I have with T-Mobile USA. Maemo was a huge bonus thrown in, or so I thought at first. But it's actually the best part of all.

That said, I still use Google Voice - but only for business, not personal calls. For work, it's just too handy to pass up for free.
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