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2010-02-12
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N95 is an awesome phone dude, I agree. It also happens to be the one I left behind for the N900 though.
What I don't think people are realizing is the time spent on improving the n95, both from the community and the company. That phone has been out for YEARS. N900 just needs some time and patience. No phone is going to be perfect on its release, especially not with a revamped OS.
Oh, and Nokia is just trying a different business strategy, ala Apple and Iphone developers. Apple just has more support and better footing already.
What I don't think people are realizing is the time spent on improving the n95, both from the community and the company. That phone has been out for YEARS. N900 just needs some time and patience. No phone is going to be perfect on its release, especially not with a revamped OS.
Oh, and Nokia is just trying a different business strategy, ala Apple and Iphone developers. Apple just has more support and better footing already.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by Bratag
I understand. But as I said. I suddenly found myself with a N900, which I wrongly thought It was a continuation of know-how.
Yes its an indicator of
1) People don't use the search button
2) People create a new thread based on stream on consciousness rather than something that might be useful or valid.
3) People didn't do any research before buying the phone
I bought the phone immediately it was available - and even with that in mind I was able to watch several review videos and read multiple reviews. Many of which pointed out the issues you have with the device. Its a buyer beware world we live in. So .... beware.
Last edited by dhcmega; 2010-02-12 at 15:23. Reason: typo
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by alias3800
I fully understand that there could be O.S. related problemas, etc. But basic functions missing it is what surprises me.
N95 is an awesome phone dude, I agree. It also happens to be the one I left behind for the N900 though.
What I don't think people are realizing is the time spent on improving the n95, both from the community and the company. That phone has been out for YEARS. N900 just needs some time and patience. No phone is going to be perfect on its release, especially not with a revamped OS.
Oh, and Nokia is just trying a different business strategy, ala Apple and Iphone developers. Apple just has more support and better footing already.
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2010-02-12
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Calm down folks. The N900 is not yet the perfect phone, BUT it is perfect for hacking! Imagine the N900 being perfect from the start. How boring would that be?
E.g. the missing MMS feature: At first, I was shaking my head at this. How could Nokia possible drop this feature? But then I read the brainstorm thread in this very forum. And just by trying out Frals' fmms, I learned more about how MMS works in a few days than in years before. And fmms is a great example on how the hackers community works.
Personally I think, the N900 is well usable by Joe Average but it there are other phones (from Nokia or from other companies) that suit their needs.
OTOH, the N900 is a hacker's dream. It is what the OpenMoko tried to become but then failed because of poor hardware.
E.g. the missing MMS feature: At first, I was shaking my head at this. How could Nokia possible drop this feature? But then I read the brainstorm thread in this very forum. And just by trying out Frals' fmms, I learned more about how MMS works in a few days than in years before. And fmms is a great example on how the hackers community works.
Personally I think, the N900 is well usable by Joe Average but it there are other phones (from Nokia or from other companies) that suit their needs.
OTOH, the N900 is a hacker's dream. It is what the OpenMoko tried to become but then failed because of poor hardware.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by Bratag
And yet you find the time and energy to reply to every one of them and to even be offensive in all your posts.
Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?
I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.
Impressive and another reminder to why I hardly ever come to these forums anymore.
Funny that it was the Fanboys that made me dislike the forums.
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.N810 experience: Since 6/2009
My Twenty Favorite OS2008 Applications:
AutoScan, Diablo5 Theme, Dialcentral, DragLock, EmelFM2, FlipClock, gPodder, Headphoned, Knots 2, Maemo Mapper, mPlayer, openNTPD, OpenSSH, Panucci, Personal Launcher, QuickNote, Seqretary, SlideLock, Telescope, YellowNotes
.N810 experience: Since 6/2009
My Twenty Favorite OS2008 Applications:
AutoScan, Diablo5 Theme, Dialcentral, DragLock, EmelFM2, FlipClock, gPodder, Headphoned, Knots 2, Maemo Mapper, mPlayer, openNTPD, OpenSSH, Panucci, Personal Launcher, QuickNote, Seqretary, SlideLock, Telescope, YellowNotes
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by dhcmega
You could configure "Nicknames" for your favorite contacts, then sort your contacts by "Nicknames"
.no favorites in contacts,
Originally Posted by dhcmega
You can use the "Letter shortcuts" to "jump" to a given section of your contacts list...no need to open keyboard.
.no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard
Originally Posted by dhcmega
Maybe this is by design, to allow for minor angle changes when handling the phone, so as not to change the layout. Some people may perfer this..
.screen has lag when ringing and turning,
Originally Posted by dhcmega
Really? It was my understanding that the device has "up to" 1GB of "RAM":
.it is not enough as 256 of RAM either
http://www.nokiausa.com/find-product...specifications
Memory
Up to 32 GB internal storage
microSD memory card extension, hotswappable, up to 16 GB* (sold separately)
Total available application memory up to 1 GB (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)
Originally Posted by dhcmega
.A terrible lack of apps (yet at least)
How many new devices, be it a "smartphone", or "PC", etc, have large amounts of apps on its release date? How many were developed by the company creating the OS vs. 3rd party vendors?
I understand that you may want to provide some negative comments on a device that you were dissapointed with, which may or may not be issues for other users (none of your comments are concerns of mine), but at least try to make your posts "accurate", or "balanced" at the very least.
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2010-02-12
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Right, I'll bite - I usually stay clear of threads like this, but hey, it's friday!
OTOH, I don't expect it to run my brand new PC games - but really - did you?
I consider myself a "heavy user" of SMS, averaging 300ish a month, give or take a few - what's missing? Except for a way to turn off the darn smilies, I'm not missing anything from what the N95 had in the way of SMS.
The good thing with Maemo is, while features are missing, most - if not all - can be added by *ANYONE*. No MMS you say? Community has added that, sure, it's not perfect, but it's getting better all the time.
Not being able to add APN? It's right there in Extras - search for "fAPN"
No USSD? I'm sure I've read it's user contributed as well (search for USSD-widget).
(How long did it take e.g. the iPhone to get MMS?)
You see where I'm going with this? While many features are missing out of the box, they are being added constantly by other users. Welcome the the world of Maemo, where we don't only complain about missing features - we add them
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Well, it would've been nice to have every single feature anyone can think of in the box, but then we would never see a release
Bottomline is, if your not happy with the device - return it! Do some research on the next phone you consider buying before actually buying it and I'm certain you will be much happier with your next purchase, regardless of brand.
Originally Posted by dhcmega
As a person coming from the N95 myself, I can relate I guess. It was indeed an extraordinary device when it came (imo).
I was a really happy user of the Nokia 6600 and the excellent N95, among others.
Originally Posted by dhcmega
It's not a PC? I consider it as a portable computer, seeing as I (while on my commute to/from uni) do the following: read/answer mail, check what's new on various websites, watch the nights before tv-episodes. If I feel inclined, I fire open pygtkeditor and code a bit, and can do a git commit; git push right there from the bus.
I found that the N900 is not a PC nor a Cellphone.
Why??
Beyond the camera, FlashPlayer 9.4, shell access, keyword (with some of the same problems that the N97 had), screen which is fine, the cell phone function is super poorly implemented.
OTOH, I don't expect it to run my brand new PC games - but really - did you?
Originally Posted by dhcmega
As you might have noticed, this is the first version of this operating system where there are phone capabilities at all, childproblems are to be expected. But yes, it would be nice to have *everything* but reality is, you'll never get everything.
Come on, where is the experience from thousands of great telephones released before?? Are we going to start from scratch? No speed dial, no USSD, no favorites in contacts, no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard, screen has lag when ringing and turning, poorly SMS implentation, I mean, ok we have "conversations" at last, it was about time, but all the other features are gone (every heavy user will know what I am talking about). No MMS?? It is a joke. No possiblity to add APNs?? Amazing. A tiny rootfs partition, none sense.
I consider myself a "heavy user" of SMS, averaging 300ish a month, give or take a few - what's missing? Except for a way to turn off the darn smilies, I'm not missing anything from what the N95 had in the way of SMS.
The good thing with Maemo is, while features are missing, most - if not all - can be added by *ANYONE*. No MMS you say? Community has added that, sure, it's not perfect, but it's getting better all the time.
Not being able to add APN? It's right there in Extras - search for "fAPN"
No USSD? I'm sure I've read it's user contributed as well (search for USSD-widget).
(How long did it take e.g. the iPhone to get MMS?)
You see where I'm going with this? While many features are missing out of the box, they are being added constantly by other users. Welcome the the world of Maemo, where we don't only complain about missing features - we add them
Originally Posted by dhcmega
The PC Suite support is bad, agreed (can't say I ever needed it though, Exchange sync handles it for me
OVI Maps??? PC Suite?? Not fully implemented. How could this ever be??
I know that there is a lot of extras (mostly DEVEL) for solving many of those things, that IMO should Nokia took care of. No doubts at all.
).Well, it would've been nice to have every single feature anyone can think of in the box, but then we would never see a release
Bottomline is, if your not happy with the device - return it! Do some research on the next phone you consider buying before actually buying it and I'm certain you will be much happier with your next purchase, regardless of brand.
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Problem with fMMS? Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/
After that you'll see fmms.log in filemanager or when you connect the device to your desktop as a mass storage device.
E-mail the log to me, if you don't have the email address, drop me a PM. Thanks!
fMMS - MMS for your N900
fAPN - GUI for adding a new GPRS APN
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Problem with fMMS? Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/
After that you'll see fmms.log in filemanager or when you connect the device to your desktop as a mass storage device.
E-mail the log to me, if you don't have the email address, drop me a PM. Thanks!
fMMS - MMS for your N900
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2010-02-12
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Do people realize that Snapdragon is a bastardized ARM version of the OMAP the N900 has?
Do people realize that even if Snapdragon where to deliver more performance than OMAP (they are different architectures, so you can't compare speeds MHz); there is a big bottleneck accesing all that power, due to the VM Dalvik architecture of Android?
Do people know that the N900 has 768 Mb of swap?
I swear, this is starting to look like the Ghz race of PC's a while ago...
Edit: And just for the record, I completely agree that some functions in Maemo (namely phone ones) are inferior than Symbian, and apparently, that was a conscious design choice taken by the UI team due to short time to release the device.
Last edited by mrojas; 2010-02-12 at 15:43.
Do people realize that even if Snapdragon where to deliver more performance than OMAP (they are different architectures, so you can't compare speeds MHz); there is a big bottleneck accesing all that power, due to the VM Dalvik architecture of Android?
Do people know that the N900 has 768 Mb of swap?
I swear, this is starting to look like the Ghz race of PC's a while ago...
Edit: And just for the record, I completely agree that some functions in Maemo (namely phone ones) are inferior than Symbian, and apparently, that was a conscious design choice taken by the UI team due to short time to release the device.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by silvermountain
I reply to them in in the desperate hope that people will some day grow a clue if they see the same "USE EXISTING THREADS" message over and over again.
And yet you find the time and energy to reply to every one of them and to even be offensive in all your posts.
Impressive and another reminder to why I hardly ever come to these forums anymore.
Funny that it was the Fanboys that made me dislike the forums.
@OP: I appreciate you didn't know better. Sorry to be so harsh on you.
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But I sense that some people take this personally. It is just an opinion.