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2007-02-27
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Originally Posted by spycedtx
Ah, the good old days of OS 2005, how unfondly I remember thee.
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2007-02-27
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And to help "the common man", this site has a link at the top for software which points to the empty http://test.maemo.org. I think it should point to http://downloads.maemo.org.
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2007-02-27
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bitgeist - I believe maemo.org is migrating to the site you can see at test.maemo.org, but it's not yet ready. The idea is to use a better content management product (Midgard) for the new maemo.org, as Wikipedia is not suitable for the technical documentation being generated to support the Maemo platform.
Announcement: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/list...velopers/17965
The Software link in this forum is clearly out of date and should be as you suggest (one for Reggie to fix).
Announcement: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/list...velopers/17965
The Software link in this forum is clearly out of date and should be as you suggest (one for Reggie to fix).
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2007-02-27
, 05:52
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@ Denver
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I also have to agree with some of this...
@w14, great post, two very good points specifically i see here:
1) Organization is very important in any software project and there is nothing that says that the F/OSS community and F/OSS projects can't be organized - what's usually missing is people who have time and ability to organize it because most people involved are developers doing the development work... which leads to...
2) The non-developers (or developers who want a change of pace or soemthing) are perfect for contributing in those other ways, including helping organize the community as above.
@mwiktowy, Great observations! Being a software developer myself (as a job, and as a hobby) i have a lot of experience watching these big companies implementations for both their internal use and sales for profit and while things look great on the outside, they take a long, long (usually) looong time to get the way they are today and that is usually with a lot of bad things hidden from the end user that you'd never know was there (unlike in F/OSS where you can see it, if you choose to). You look at Windows, UNIX, Solaris... MS Office, iTunes, Internet Explorer (on the pay/closed side) and you'll see projects that are a decade plus old... and Firefox, the Linux Kernel, *BSD, Open Office, KDE, RedHat, etc (on the F/OSS side) and you'll see projects that are still years old (though if you think about it, some of these perform better and are younger and free - but most are quite organized!)
You can bring this to other things such as the iPhone, a few YEARS in the making and just now being released, with some talk of the iPhone 2.0 already!... things take time but they also take a lot of hard work. I think a lot of good things were said in this thread all around and some great ideas, and there are places where these things are in practice and are working right here in the F/OSS community... we need to take from them and put them in action here as well so we can get to where we all want to be.
The enemy of all this is actual action. We can talk about it all day but until we get this stuff actually moving in the right direction we'll never end up where we want to be. I am to blame as well as I have got my scratchbox setup but still haven't started doing any development but if we all start pitching in and helping in our own ways, the sky is the limit!
/rant
Last edited by hodags; 2007-02-27 at 06:00.
@w14, great post, two very good points specifically i see here:
1) Organization is very important in any software project and there is nothing that says that the F/OSS community and F/OSS projects can't be organized - what's usually missing is people who have time and ability to organize it because most people involved are developers doing the development work... which leads to...
2) The non-developers (or developers who want a change of pace or soemthing) are perfect for contributing in those other ways, including helping organize the community as above.
@mwiktowy, Great observations! Being a software developer myself (as a job, and as a hobby) i have a lot of experience watching these big companies implementations for both their internal use and sales for profit and while things look great on the outside, they take a long, long (usually) looong time to get the way they are today and that is usually with a lot of bad things hidden from the end user that you'd never know was there (unlike in F/OSS where you can see it, if you choose to). You look at Windows, UNIX, Solaris... MS Office, iTunes, Internet Explorer (on the pay/closed side) and you'll see projects that are a decade plus old... and Firefox, the Linux Kernel, *BSD, Open Office, KDE, RedHat, etc (on the F/OSS side) and you'll see projects that are still years old (though if you think about it, some of these perform better and are younger and free - but most are quite organized!)
You can bring this to other things such as the iPhone, a few YEARS in the making and just now being released, with some talk of the iPhone 2.0 already!... things take time but they also take a lot of hard work. I think a lot of good things were said in this thread all around and some great ideas, and there are places where these things are in practice and are working right here in the F/OSS community... we need to take from them and put them in action here as well so we can get to where we all want to be.
The enemy of all this is actual action. We can talk about it all day but until we get this stuff actually moving in the right direction we'll never end up where we want to be. I am to blame as well as I have got my scratchbox setup but still haven't started doing any development but if we all start pitching in and helping in our own ways, the sky is the limit!
/rant
Last edited by hodags; 2007-02-27 at 06:00.
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2007-02-27
, 07:24
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Sorry but this does not make sense to me. It is also possible to separate hardware in one OS. No fork is needed, just a line in a configuration file.
Better separation of hardware and software. Refer to Ari's blog for an article some time back on the subject.
Separating OS 2006 from OS 2007 means simply that the support of OS 2006 and the Nokia 770 ends.
Its like dropping Xfree and continuing with Xorg ...
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2007-02-27
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@ Czech Republic
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby
:-)
@spycedtx,
Who are you to tell anyone to do anything. Are you trying to regulate this forum? Wait, isn't this supposed to be what discussion is all about? Oh I forgot, it's okay as long as your point is the only one that matters.
Originally Posted by sapporobaby
Quite funny, Who are you to tell anyone to do anything. Are you trying to regulate this forum? Wait, isn't this supposed to be what discussion is all about? Oh I forgot, it's okay as long as your point is the only one that matters.
No matter, here is my suggestion to you, don't like what I say, ignore it.
sapporobaby, you made a lot of statements to developers in this and various other threads. Most of it was impolite, offensive, off topic, uninformed (= stupid) so don't be surprised. Actually i was surprised noone told you so until spycedtx did.
I tried to post some reply to your rant (and yes it is a rant, not just observation) but then just scrapped it two times. I really don't have time to go one by one in you flawed arguments what develpers (working for free) should and should not do and how things are supposed to be. You are barking up the wrong tree. Give such developers a break. Complain to Nokia if you think you paid for something and didn't get it. If you don't like half-finished applications then just close you eyes and ignore them. Use just the tableteer interface and install only applications spoon fed to you by Nokia.
I think you started this thread because you believed an illusion that you can have free lunch and then woke up dissapointed. In reality There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you want only polished stuff then just wait until someone pays money for that.
Originally Posted by spycedtx
Amen.
Overall, you've made your point. Several times, in several places.
Last edited by fanoush; 2007-02-27 at 08:45.
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2007-02-27
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@ Helsinki, Finland
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@fanoush only. (To the other developers this does not apply to you. Any references to your work do not apply.)
Last edited by sapporobaby; 2007-02-27 at 11:37.
Originally Posted by fanoush
If this thread is such a burden or overly offensive then MODS, please lock or delete this thread. I would not want fanoush to be hurt as he is sensitive (written with as much sarcasm as I could muster).
:-)
Quite funny, Who are you to tell anyone to do anything. Are you trying to regulate this forum? Wait, isn't this supposed to be what discussion is all about? Oh I forgot, it's okay as long as your point is the only one that matters.
sapporobaby, you made a lot of statements to developers in this and various other threads. Most of it was impolite, offensive, off topic, uninformed (= stupid) so don't be surprised. Actually i was surprised noone told you so until spycedtx did.
Did I now? What are these comments I made other than the fact that the N800 needs synchronization to appeal to more than just the developer world. I await your proof. Hint: I posted in 10 threads, with the major one being: The N800 _MUST_ have a good PIM to succeed. Start there Einstein.
I tried to post some reply to your rant (and yes it is a rant, not just observation) but then just scrapped it two times. I really don't have time to go one by one in you flawed arguments what develpers (working for free) should and should not do and how things are supposed to be. You are barking up the wrong tree. Give such developers a break. Complain to Nokia if you think you paid for something and didn't get it. If you don't like half-finished applications then just close you eyes and ignore them. Use just the tableteer interface and install only applications spoon fed to you by Nokia.
So now you now my true intentions? Well tell me what I am thinking now Einstein. Maybe you have zero point zero clue as to what developers do but the idea is to make something useful and then either give it away or sell it. I have said many times that I have no problems with paying for anything. Make a good product and you will get my money. Throughout this thread other than your post and that of the other guy the results have been pretty positive and in agreement. That would put you and your best friend on the outside looking in. If you do not like the fact that I pointed out the clearly obvious then too bad. (now I am being purposely rude by the way). Point out where I was was offensive to the developers and where I said that they are effing up. I made a statement, or observation as I see it. This is called an opinion. In your country it might be called something else. Try www.dictionary.com for a better clarification of language usage. I must have really hit a sore spot with you which would lead me to think that you have been down this road before. The poor misunderstood developer/artist. Your disjointed and out of context post is nothing short of laughable and pathetic. Try getting a girlfriend and move out of your parents basement.
I think you started this thread because you believed an illusion that you can have free lunch and then woke up dissapointed. In reality There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. If you want only polished stuff then just wait until someone pays money for that.
"You think I started this thread...." Well that's new. Nothing you have written so far proves that you possess the ability to think at all. Just point fingers and engage in blame dispersal. The fact remains, the N800 is a developers toy at the moment. The only way it will survive in a highly competitive world is to have quality applications that appeal to the masses. Not just a core group of developers that sometimes finish what they start. Naturally this does not apply to all developers, as there are many here that are quite helpful and I have stated this as well. Maybe next time before you post, you should read the entire thread. Your ignorance is showing. I also invite you to point out one single post where I stated or alluded (look it up) to the fact that I wanted anything for free. Paying has never been a problem for me. I extend this invitation to your best bud as well to point out where I am wrong, which would also make the several other posted here wrong as well. Have at it boy genius.
BTW now that I know your name I will steer clear of anything you develop. If you develop the way you think, I am sure it will be a flop. Have a nice day.
Last edited by sapporobaby; 2007-02-27 at 11:37.
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2007-02-27
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#38
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Huh? You blew it again :-) Completely.
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2007-02-27
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#39
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I'm now stepping out of this thread.
Have fun.
Mike.
Have fun.
Mike.
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2007-02-27
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Originally Posted by fanoush
Beep, beep, beep. Is that the sound of backing up I hear?
Huh? You blew it again :-) Completely.
Look dude, if you have something to say then say it otherwise I think we have covered all bases. I guess I can't expect you to post your posts to back up your claims right? I wonder if you could be one of those start something and not finish guys..... Hmm.........