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2010-04-22
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Well.
If I can have a fixed bright (around F2.0) wide angle around 25mm (35mm equiv)) lense and a good enough sensor to provide DSLR 'quality' pics in terms of color, noise and detail, I'll be quite happy. I know that at least this can be done. (although we still won't get the nice shallow depth of field)
If I can have a fixed bright (around F2.0) wide angle around 25mm (35mm equiv)) lense and a good enough sensor to provide DSLR 'quality' pics in terms of color, noise and detail, I'll be quite happy. I know that at least this can be done. (although we still won't get the nice shallow depth of field)
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2010-04-22
, 09:30
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@ Finland
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Originally Posted by jakiman
with details -no way because diffraction messes things up. but with everything else: it could be pretty soon. modern dslrs tolerate sensitivies up to ISO6400 with good enough quality. That is 4 stops more than it was with film age. So compared to film, you need only 25mm f8 now. you loose ability to use dof but 25mm f8 is much cheaper, smaller, lighter and better than 25mm f2. so the photosensitivic frame techonogy (plus minor improvements to microscopic zeiss lenses, which are btw superb with 35mm system if you use those as they are supposed to be used....) is the thing drives cellphone cameras.
Well.
If I can have a fixed bright (around F2.0) wide angle around 25mm (35mm equiv)) lense and a good enough sensor to provide DSLR 'quality' pics in terms of color, noise and detail, I'll be quite happy. I know that at least this can be done. (although we still won't get the nice shallow depth of field)
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by jakiman
So true.
i bought the very first DSLR Canon made when it came out. Canon D30. About 10 years ago. Whopping 3MP sensor. Took absolutely gorgeous pics. No 10+MP tiny digicams and mobile phone will ever come close to it. Never. Unless lenses become bigger than the phone itself that can provide nice dreamy bokeh, shallow dof, tele compression etc. It's about the feel for me. Not the detail.
I have a Canon 350D, it has 8 megapixels, and comparing photos from a comact camera, which has 10 megapixels i believe, there is absolutley no competition at all. Thats with the stock lens on the 350D, which isn't even that good comapred high end lenses.
From that, I firmly beleive no camera, especially phone camera's will match SLR quality.
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2010-04-22
, 11:03
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@ UK
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Yes, well done, the source of the article I linked.
first of all: it wasn't an interview. don't bother to correct you further.
and here is my proof:
taken from: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLD...=Google+Reader
which is the source of the article you linked.
You've changed your tune quite alot through this thread, first it was
"topic is incorrect. that has never been said except by you. get the facts"
& then
"as stated above those claims have never been made by Vanjoki."
& then
"it states that Vanjoki has been interviewed by reuters. false
source straight from the article:"
(Take it up with the guy that made the report, I didnt write it)
and lastly....
Who gives a S**T!!! whether it was an interview, a meeting, a conference, a social gathering, a speech, or a fricking staff xmas party, Vanjoki made a statement, and thats that!
I posted a thread, you blasted it as lies all over it, I gave a source, and now all of a sudden your agreeing with it. The fact remains YOU said I made it all up to start with. I dont appreciate being called a liar and put down in a forum. But now it seems the tables have turned, and guess whos looking stupid now?
Talk about being pedantic with the incorrect use of a word.
And by the way Vanjoki also said "high-definition (HD) quality video recording was also coming to cellphones within the next 12 months."
You gonna get picky between the incorrect usage of SLR and HD now?
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2010-04-22
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@ North West England
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OMG, I'm still laughing. As a keen DSLR user with some VERY nice lenses, this is utter crap.
You might be able to take a picture in bright sunshine, and it could come out OK. But to compare with a DSLR with all the manual controls - never!
lol
You might be able to take a picture in bright sunshine, and it could come out OK. But to compare with a DSLR with all the manual controls - never!
lol
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2010-04-22
, 11:39
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@ Arctic cold of northern .fi
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#37
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Originally Posted by james174
Vanjoki made the comment about (D)SLRs as a response to a obstrusive photographer with a telescope lens who got on stage and close to his face. It wasn't so much of a future tech prediction rather than a diplomatic way to say "Get the **** off the stage you dumb idiot".
Yes, well done, the source of the article I linked.
You've changed your tune quite alot through this thread, first it was
"topic is incorrect. that has never been said except by you. get the facts"
& then
"as stated above those claims have never been made by Vanjoki."
& then
"it states that Vanjoki has been interviewed by reuters. false
source straight from the article:"
(Take it up with the guy that made the report, I didnt write it)
and lastly....
Who gives a S**T!!! whether it was an interview, a meeting, a conference, a social gathering, a speech, or a fricking staff xmas party, Vanjoki made a statement, and thats that!
I posted a thread, you blasted it as lies all over it, I gave a source, and now all of a sudden your agreeing with it. The fact remains YOU said I made it all up to start with. I dont appreciate being called a liar and put down in a forum. But now it seems the tables have turned, and guess whos looking stupid now?
Talk about being pedantic with the incorrect use of a word.
And by the way Vanjoki also said "high-definition (HD) quality video recording was also coming to cellphones within the next 12 months."
You gonna get picky between the incorrect usage of SLR and HD now?
It was misquoted in english speaking media as a prediction. He did really speak about/predict HD video becoming standard in highend phones during the next 12 months.
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2010-04-22
, 11:50
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@ Sydney
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It's all about marketing. More MP = better = more sales.
Canon did listen and actually lowered pixel density for their newer S and G series from 14.7MP (G10) to 10MP (G11). Great move. Wish they lowered it to like 6MP and take full advantage of the improved technology in both sensor and processing to create a DSLR rivaling clean images at ISO 100-800 range. (and allow it to have useable images up to ISO3200 or so)
Have you seen the very first 3MP Foveon sensor'ed SD9 pics? If you haven't, I recommend you to check it out. It was crap above ISO400 or so but at ISO100, it is just amazing. That's what I want from my mobile phone. Beautiful crisp 3MP images. Not over-processed 10+MP images. Just check out the full sized image of the very first pic of Phil's wife. What an amazing picture quality. This was 8 years ago! (the sensor does have its flaws but was a great technical demonstration of what a true rgb sensor could achive at a pixel by pixel level)
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/re...ples/slideshow
Canon did listen and actually lowered pixel density for their newer S and G series from 14.7MP (G10) to 10MP (G11). Great move. Wish they lowered it to like 6MP and take full advantage of the improved technology in both sensor and processing to create a DSLR rivaling clean images at ISO 100-800 range. (and allow it to have useable images up to ISO3200 or so)
Have you seen the very first 3MP Foveon sensor'ed SD9 pics? If you haven't, I recommend you to check it out. It was crap above ISO400 or so but at ISO100, it is just amazing. That's what I want from my mobile phone. Beautiful crisp 3MP images. Not over-processed 10+MP images. Just check out the full sized image of the very first pic of Phil's wife. What an amazing picture quality. This was 8 years ago! (the sensor does have its flaws but was a great technical demonstration of what a true rgb sensor could achive at a pixel by pixel level)
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/re...ples/slideshow
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2010-04-22
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@ UK
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#39
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Anyone interested in seeing the datasheet for the ET8EK8 module?
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2010-04-22
, 12:19
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@ Sweden
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What if they would use more then one sensor and lens? A cluster of crappy cameras, and then compute a good result?
and here is my proof:
which is the source of the article you linked.
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