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zappa is offline zappa
2010-06-08 , 23:05
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#31
Originally Posted by pantera1989 View Post
The problem with linux is that it is hard to use. Most people don't care that you can do miracles. They only know about miracles you can do by pressing a button. Not miracles you can do bu using terminal and writing complicated scripts. This is why the iphone did so great. It is so simple to use that even idiots can use it.

The N900 is better than the iphone or android in my opinion. It can do more things. But how many people are able to do these things? Only if you have a fair bit of linux background are you able to do such things.

So the next device in my opinion should be compatible with idiots to succeed. So simple that even a kid could use most of its functions.
I think thats a misconception. It used to be "harder" to use. These days the distros make it fairly easy.
The CLI is intimidating to people. People don't want to type things, they want to click things. But for somebody doing a tutorial or helping a friend over the phone its so much easier for us to just tell them what to type than to walk them thru a crap load of clicks.

Myself anymore, whenever someone asks me to fix their virus laden win box, I put Ubuntu or Mint on it with Xp in a virtual box and call it a day. I don't ever have to fix it again cause they messed it up.

It's not harder it's just different at this point. Like a standard transmission vs an automatic.
 

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2010-06-08 , 23:11
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#32
I don't find it hard. But would your father or grand father use it?

I know people that find Windows hard to use! They are the kind of people that have a virus bon't "never browsed anywhere else apart from google.." or "a porn site just...popped up..."
 
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2010-06-08 , 23:13
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Originally Posted by pantera1989 View Post
The problem with linux is that it is hard to use.
I think you mean unfamiliar, with a long learning curve.

This is why the iphone did so great. It is so simple to use that even idiots can use it.
Yes, but they also went the extra mile and made sure it couldn't really be pushed farther without their permission.

So the next device in my opinion should be compatible with idiots to succeed. So simple that even a kid could use most of its functions.
That's easy. You pick frequently used functions and put shiny buttons in places for people to poke. The trick is getting them to do this (which Nokia did decently well on the N900) without going the extra step and ensuring the user can go no further.

A phone running Linux is no different from any other phone, provided the UI is done right. But the UI isn't really the problem with the N900, it's Nokia's execution and follow through that is the real problem.
 
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2010-06-08 , 23:20
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
I think you mean unfamiliar, with a long learning curve.


Yes, but they also went the extra mile and made sure it couldn't really be pushed farther without their permission.


That's easy. You pick frequently used functions and put shiny buttons in places for people to poke. The trick is getting them to do this (which Nokia did decently well on the N900) without going the extra step and ensuring the user can go no further.

A phone running Linux is no different from any other phone, provided the UI is done right. But the UI isn't really the problem with the N900, it's Nokia's execution and follow through that is the real problem.
You are 100% right about the UI. The N900 is very pretty. It was one of my WOW moments. But you must admit..most of the appeal is hard to do, at least for normal users..or users that don't like messing with terminal.

I recently repartitioned my device to increase the /home/ size. It felt wonderful having that sort of control. That is why the iPhone will never appeal to me. But sadly this feature only appeals to a small percentage of people. It's a matter of whether to be a sellout or not (as in the music industry).
 
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2010-06-08 , 23:21
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Oh, I forgot. Saner handling of concurrent sound sources is needed. If I'm getting voice guidance from Sygic, I still want to hear them when I'm talking on the phone, or listening to music, etc. I don't really know how best this should be handled, but some way to prioritise, attenuate or mute sound sources with dbus (or whatever) might be something to consider. If the device is to replace my netbook, TomTom, iPod and phone, it needs to let me use all those functions concurrently and sanely, without compromise. Especially when driving.
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2010-06-08 , 23:34
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#36
Originally Posted by pantera1989 View Post
I don't find it hard. But would your father or grand father use it?

I know people that find Windows hard to use! They are the kind of people that have a virus bon't "never browsed anywhere else apart from google.." or "a porn site just...popped up..."
I think its just as easy to teach someone how to use a mac as it is a win or lin box.

But it is god (your choice of gods) damned hard to convert someone to linux. People don't like change.

Even legit sites will now and then choose a less than reputable advertiser who will machines.

But linux has it easy compared to Windows, we aren't a target.
 
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2010-06-08 , 23:42
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Nokia must make a "N900" that they do actually put a lot of effort in to keep alive. Nokia must understand that not all people have a socialist memory of 1 week.
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2010-06-08 , 23:45
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- Java would help open up the door.
- Microsoft VPN support, to access office networks.
- Citrix client.
- Coreplayer.
- Full blown version of Opera (I actually prefer version 5 because it seems lighter, but i miss the RSS reader in version 4)
- Tomtom navigation software.
- VMWare or similar.
- Android and Symbian emulators would allows us to port all the great tried an tested apps currently available out there... while we wait for more decent apps to appear on the n900
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2010-06-08 , 23:48
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i think daddy already did all the work. no more heavy lifting to be done. just gotta clean up the battle field!!

if i had to choose something though i would say to simply go through all the popular apps on the other os's and make sure our next hardwar can support it. for example.. its nice that we can change the background but it would be even nicer if we can also change modes like with the mytouch slide.

s ojust do what ever one else does and do it better and faster than they do it. all while keeping good battery life. only other possible thing is have a mature app store
 
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2010-06-09 , 00:03
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not so high processor, not so big ram, not so wide device(n900 is enough), good build quality, implement compass.
Thats just it! I dont want big ram cause it requires big processor and that processors eat batteries insanely. Bigger batteries is needed so more bulky the device. Remember guys balance is the key not power. If I want such big powered device I would have just put my n900 in my pocket and buy a mini computer. Intel atom 2.13ghz, 2gb ram, any Os can be installed what more would you want? Not enough? Then buy an alienware product! lol
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