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2010-06-12 , 18:03
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#31
Without addressing specific complaints (which a thread like this is bound to attract, and has already) or going into whether or not things 'have gone downhill', it really is telling to me at least that I really cannot remember the last person I asked about talk.maemo.org who noted its good atmosphere.

Sure, there are good threads and moments here, but there is so much negativity and pointless bickering and fighting that really, I start to wonder why there is a point in reading it.

A lot of that 'bad karma' comes (as Texrat points out) from people who - incorrectly - assume that this is the right place to direct complaints at a company concerning service or products, and really, it isn't.

When the people who do get involved in those discussions end up feeling worn down and like "punching bags" (as a phrase I've seen used in this context in the past), then you have to start wondering whether perhaps there is a problem with the approach, and whether something fundamental needs to change.

Some food for thought.
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#32
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
And yet I was taken to task for closing threads WITHOUT a closing statement by others.

I don't see anything wrong or even immature in my statement in question.

And I really love a no-win position. But I never expected you of all people fatalsaint to encourage me further to bail on this madness.
Come again?

I've said nothing at all about you bailing on this madness. What I said was, (and I said this originally in a generic statement, not yours in particular originally, but now that I see a link to a thread you closed I'll address it specifically) - that adding a personal opinion when closing a thread leaving the parties you're talking again no ability to defend themselves is not the best way to do it.

Specifically the thread linked just a few posts up: All you should have said was (at most) "There is nothing to be gained from this thread. Closed."

However, in your closing statement when you go for someone else and then close the thread generates more negativity than was there before. It makes, what is otherwise a sound judgment (closing the thread) look more like a ragequit. I am not at all against the closing of the thread, threads need closing sometimes. That one specifically included.

It's just my opinion that there is a separation (or should) between Texrat the community member, and Texrat the Moderator. The moment it becomes necessary for you to put your mod shoes on and mod, you need to leave personal bias and your community side behind for a minute and simple execute your mod job as you must and move on.

This, again, is just MHO. Not like I'll be messaging Reggie with complaints anytime soon.
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#33
Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
Texrat, no I don't read your blog. I was not trying to pick on you, I am pointing out that I think that the mods are handling things the wrong way IMO IMO IMO

You are taking it personally and saying I am not supporting my community. I disagree.

You say free speech is not for this forum. I disagree. If free speech for the most part was not allowed here I would have left LONG ago.

What I am saying is I believe some mods attitudes around here are perpetuating the exact thing their fighting against. IMO IMO IMO

Which I am entitled to, again I cite FREE SPEECH. Of course you could close my thread and ban me, then I would take my free speech elsewhere.
Of course you're attacking me and my decisions. It's in your original post. If you had instead taken an objective approach instead of a personal one we would be having a very different exchange right now.

But please read my latest blog article. Maybe it might help your perspective.

And again: there is no protected free speech in a discussion forum. I don't know why that has to be repeated.

And please quit with the passive-aggressive talk about closing your threads and banning you. Have I done anything yet? Have your posts in this thread been touched? You are being allowed to express your opinion. I have never and will never act on that alone. Period.

I think the continuation of this thread proves my point and disproves yours.
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#34
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SD69 if you think I actually closed the thread over raw opinion rather than the original poster's rule-breaking actions then we're speaking totally different languages.

I'll make you guys happy though: I'm taking a break from moderating while I rethink once again why I'm spending my rare free time trying to help the community. Someone else can respond to the appeals for decorum. Enjoy.
Why must it be your way, or you take your toys and go home Texrat?

This is not the first time. Understand MAYBE there might be a better way. Did I offer a real solution to the problem NOPE, I offered a opportunity to discuss it.

The threats that we will all be happy or unhappy with you gone, is nonsense. Cmon, you must admit that your remarks in that thread were unprofessional at least. Nobody is trying to chase you away, but clearly the current way that mods are handeling this is not working IMO IMO.

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w00t I love you, man. Thanks for the sanity and understanding.

It just amazes me that people are so fast to pass judgment without considering the context of why I would inject my opinion into that closing statement in question.

I would respectfully request that people consider there's a history when that happens. I don't jump the nebulous gap between member and moderator on a whim, folks.

I'm out. Had enough today.
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Well, if you wanna go by that logic? why just close them? why dont you go out right and delete them? have it all super clean?
no reason not to. they don't help anyone. they are made to destroy. so why not "destroy" them instead?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
SD69 if you think I actually closed the thread over raw opinion rather than the original poster's rule-breaking actions then we're speaking totally different languages.

I'll make you guys happy though: I'm taking a break from moderating while I rethink once again why I'm spending my rare free time trying to help the community.
I didn't respond about the thread. You said you were going to close any threads that attacked the community. I responded to that. You said no free speech.

Yes, I think you may need to take a break from moderating
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Of course you're attacking me and my decisions. It's in your original post. If you had instead taken an objective approach instead of a personal one we would be having a very different exchange right now.

But please read my latest blog article. Maybe it might help your perspective.

And again: there is no protected free speech in a discussion forum. I don't know why that has to be repeated.

And please quit with the passive-aggressive talk about closing your threads and banning you. Have I done anything yet? Have your posts in this thread been touched? You are being allowed to express your opinion. I have never and will never act on that alone. Period.

I think the continuation of this thread proves my point and disproves yours.

I am sorry I mentioned NO closed posts or mods, I DID NOT MENTION YOU.
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I'm going to close threads that are solely designed to attack the community.
And you are obviously considering yourself the one indispensable tool for preventing the community from going into complete chaos, the lone hero, the last guard at the gates of hell, keeping the devils in? How familiar...
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Why must it be your way, or you take your toys and go home Texrat?
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Where do you see that I made such a statement?

Nothing is "my" way. There is an expected behavior for the forum. *I* didn't set it. I simply moderate in alignment. Talk to Reggie and the super moderators about rules.

And if you think getting frustrated by the decline in civility here is "taking my toys and going home" then you are severely trivializing the issue.

Maybe you should try this role for a while?
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And you are obviously considering yourself the one indispensable tool for preventing the community from going into complete chaos, the lone hero, the last guard at the gates of hell, keeping the devils in? How familiar...
I never said such a ridiculous thing. Quit reading into what I say.

You're also invited to try the job.
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