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#31
Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
FWIW iPhone does the same solution in its Mail: go into a separate selection mode, select emails, then press "Delete".
Yes, which is why I didn't particular pick a product to base my point. Maemo should have it's own unique solution, with high consistency across programs, an implemented as a platform-wide solution, and not a single program's solution.
 
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Originally Posted by chatbox View Post
The select action THEN select e-mail(s), IMO, is an incomplete or afterthought crappy solution.
Sorry it's the only solution I can give.

Originally Posted by chatbox View Post
If I'm not mistaken, I can't mark multiple e-mails as read.
No you can't, but as you read emails they are marked, a long pause then select from the popup menu 'Mark as read' takes a long as moving into the email and back out.

Originally Posted by chatbox View Post
Ctrl+A doesn't seem to select multiple "e-mails".
I does if you are either Moving or Deleting emails.
Click on the title bar select 'Move messages' then press Ctrl+A together not seperatly.
 
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I've elaborated a little more about the multi-select point that I was trying to make.

Mind you, this "multi-select" point that I've been making, I'm not exactly after a solution...and trying to point out that this N900 device, while the hardware is pretty good, the platform and Nokia included software seems like temporary solutions, uni student projects, fragmented, incomplete, inconsistent.

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I just wanted to say that from the direction it seems Meego is going it looks like that WILL be polished and I am quite worried about that. As said previously, the more polished a device is the less configurable it tends to be and from what I have seen of the Handset UI I don't like the look of it.

One example of why flexibility requires compromise resulting in a "less polished" feel:

So why is the N900 app manager slow?
Because its entirely Linux based and Linux package management is designed to be plug and play, allowing you to add whatever software sources you want.

In order to do that it has to refresh those sources every time you open the app manager because there is no way it can know what has changed.

It has to update each one separately and then collate the results of all the sources together so you can search them or view a list. Part of collating those results it also has to check versions (as the same application may be available from several sources with different versions such as extras ,extras-testing, extras-devel), they may require other packages as well to function (Linux is based on a very varied collection of shared libraries), so it has to check everything matches up alright before you can do anything.
Naturally, this takes a long time and uses a lot of disk IO and CPU power, not helped by the fact that the N900 doesn't exactly have the fastest eMMC in the world (seeing as a good SSD alone would cost half the price of the N900, not something Nokia could fix unless you wanted a $1000 device). Just try booting your desktop PC from a USB stick or SD card and see how slow it gets (that is installing your OS on there not a Live CD/USB as those cheat by putting everything in RAM).

Why is the Apple App Store so polished?
Apple only have a single software repository, so they don't even need to bother pushing that list to your device - you can just browse it on the web which I believe is all the App Store does. Then when you request a file, it just pushes you that file nicely wrapped in DRM.

When you write for iPhone you are writing for the existing libraries, so it doesn't have to check the right things are installed/available to install, like Linux does. However it also means if the OS doesn't support what you want to do, you are out of luck or have to bundle it into your application making it more complicated and bigger.

In fact, its pretty much how Ovi Store works too (minus the DRM of course) so if you removed the ability to install community software the N900 would be faster too. Of course the problem with Ovi is that once it comes to installing the package you just downloaded, it still has the do all the normal Linux stuff BEFORE it can install - to make sure everything is configured right and available. If we ONLY had Ovi Store, the N900 app manager would be as fast as the App Store, but we wouldn't have the community driven software development that we have. You only have to look at a jailbroken iPhone to see that, it has a community software development and guess what - it has the same "unpolished" problem with its application manager too, for the same reasons. At least we didn't have to hack our phones and risk breaking compatibility with the stock OS in order to get there.

This is just one example of how the flexibility of the OS causes it to feel less polished.
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I think the reason as to why the polish isn't all that high is because Nokia didn't intend for this phone to be a mass market product.
 
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Originally Posted by Alex Atkin UK View Post
I just wanted to say that from the direction it seems Meego is going it looks like that WILL be polished and I am quite worried about that. As said previously, the more polished a device is the less configurable it tends to be and from what I have seen of the Handset UI I don't like the look of it.

One example of why flexibility requires compromise resulting in a "less polished" feel:

So why is the N900 app manager slow?
Because its entirely Linux based and Linux package management is designed to be plug and play, allowing you to add whatever software sources you want.

In order to do that it has to refresh those sources every time you open the app manager because there is no way it can know what has changed.

It has to update each one separately and then collate the results of all the sources together so you can search them or view a list. Naturally, this takes a long time and uses a lot of disk IO and CPU power, not helped by the fact that the N900 doesn't exactly have the fastest eMMC in the world (seeing as a good SSD alone would cost half the price of the N900, not something Nokia could fix unless you wanted a $1000 device). Just try booting your desktop PC from a USB stick or SD card and see how slow it gets (that is installing your OS on there not a Live CD/USB as those cheat by putting everything in RAM).

Why is the App Store so polished?
Apple only have a single software repository, so they don't even need to bother pushing that list to your device - you can just browse it on the web which I believe is all the App Store does. Then when you request a file, it just pushes you that file nicely wrapped in DRM.

In fact, its pretty much how Ovi Store works too (minus the DRM of course) so if you removed the ability to install community software the N900 would be faster too.

This is just one example of how the flexibility of the OS causes it to feel less polished.

I understand the technical aspects of it. But where the problem really is, I think, is that Nokia didn't "bother enough" to "come up" with an "elegant" "mobile solution" for application management. Taking DEB solution path is just the easy way out as Maemo is Linux based (as you've stated), and Nokia has ignored the mobile aspects when they put together a product and its solutions.

Nokia is certainly behind in the innovation sense lately.

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Originally Posted by Parody View Post
I think the reason as to why the polish isn't all that high is because Nokia didn't intend for this phone to be a mass market product.
Yes, that's probably true. Which means, it's doomed right the the very start. Which also means that Maemo, being open source, is just a cover up / illusion for the N900...to make us think the N900 "IS" a great product. N900, in its current state, is NOT a great product...but it can be.

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there is an option to move or delete more than 1 email at a time by clicking the top portion of the screen. then mark individually the mails to delete or move. no ability to mark all as read though. but if you have no intention of reading them, might as well delete them..

Originally Posted by Corso85 View Post
It's the ability to select more than one email at time. In order to delete or mark as read for instance. Necessary for people who get a lot of emails on a daily bases.

Is there a good replacement email client now? for the stock one? What is it called?
 
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Oh come on, let's not be one dimensional with this.

While the N900 might not be a commercially successful product, it's a pretty damn great product within its own niche. The problem is that Nokia doesn't seem to know what this was.. or Nokia tried to oversell the N900 as what it really isn't.
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Oh come on, let's not be one dimensional with this.

While the N900 might not be a commercially successful product, it's a pretty damn great product within its own niche. The problem is that Nokia doesn't seem to know what this was.. or Nokia tried to oversell the N900 as what it really isn't.
In which case, Nokia has even more problem than the technical side of things. i.e. Not knowing who to sell to, what they're selling... Where's the marketing department? Where's the company direction? With a direction, a company should be able to come up with what it should provide, what to sell, what to have.
 
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