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2010-09-18
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Originally Posted by gerbick
This would be correct if the N900 was not the ARM hardware reference device. As it is, they are doing it now-ish, on a parallel track with the rest of MeeGo, not AFTER 1.1 is released - this is also the reason that at some points the N900 image is not buildable/working. It will of course be interesting to see how stable or usable the actual 1.1 build will be, but that is something unrelated to this thread.
MeeGo the OS might be on a fixed schedule; it does not mean that its implementation across the board is fixed. Once the OS is complete, compiled, there is the task of placing it on the hardware.
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2010-09-18
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Originally Posted by attila77
Why would it be unusable or unstable if the N900 is the ARM hardware reference device and why is there no definitive statement as to that progress which would lead to official support?
This would be correct if the N900 was not the ARM hardware reference device. As it is, they are doing it now-ish, on a parallel track with the rest of MeeGo, not AFTER 1.1 is released - this is also the reason that at some points the N900 image is not buildable/working. It will of course be interesting to see how stable or usable the actual 1.1 build will be, but that is something unrelated to this thread.
It just doesn't add up. If the N900 is the de facto ARM hardware reference device, then once they've finished with the OS, then make it officially available to all as an upgrade and officially support it.
What exists now is a reference device that's not going to get full support and there's no word on when/if it will be officially implemented... which is all very odd and non-committal of Nokia.
Reference devices don't always equal to implemented publicly device. And that's what I see. As it stands, the N900 is being used as a retail version of the beagleboard - which, doesn't seem that official to me.
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2010-09-18
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Because we occasionally do improve the ARM support and break things and have to deal with issues that show up on ARM and not on X86
Why would it be unusable or unstable if the N900 is the ARM hardware reference device and why is there no definitive statement as to that progress which would lead to official support?
Sometimes you'd think X86 has error-correction built-in.It just doesn't add up. If the N900 is the de facto ARM hardware reference device, then once they've finished with the OS, then make it officially available to all as an upgrade and officially support it.
* Harmattan isn't MeeGo.com-based (This is clearly seen by the use of deb vs rpm)
* MeeGo for N900 hasn't been built in a typical Nokia productized manner - this has to some extent been a blessing for us as we've had more free hands to do things right, in the open, etc.
* There is a benefit to maintaining MeeGo for N900 as it keeps the ARM port stable and is the only reference device suitable for Handset.
* Other devices will always trail after N900 as we're simply ahead several man-months in implementation.
* When there's a MeeGo.com-based Nokia OS.. well, your guess is as good as mine what would happen. I know what would be technically possible, but..
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2010-09-18
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Originally Posted by gerbick
An OS is never finished. Let's repeat this once more. A nice, clean, open OS is just one facet of the smartphone experience most users expect. In other words, are you sure you want to upgrade (switch would be a more correct term here) to an OS without Maps, Skype, Flash and friends, plus on which you would have no Ovi app support (which will be Harmattan oriented). I'm not sure what's the status of mail, instant messaging, etc, but I would not be surprised if that was also more rudimentary than Maemo's at this point. Yes, at some point, when Maemo turns old and grey, MeeGo will be the thing to turn to (with some components borrowed from commercial flavors), it's just that this hop will NOT be PR1.2 to MeeGo 1.1 for most users.
It just doesn't add up. If the N900 is the de facto ARM hardware reference device, then once they've finished with the OS, then make it officially available to all as an upgrade and officially support it.
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2010-09-18
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Originally Posted by attila77
If you put it in those terms, well, HELL YEAH! (and don't forget cherry) ;-)
In other words, are you sure you want to upgrade (switch would be a more correct term here) to an OS without Maps, Skype, Flash and friends, plus on which you would have no Ovi app support (which will be Harmattan oriented).
I'm not sure what's the status of mail, instant messaging, etc, but I would not be surprised if that was also more rudimentary than Maemo's at this point.
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Eh? Bollocks. With oBS this isn't an issue.
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2010-09-19
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Forget it about, better get a new android phone or iphone and never get Nokia phone again, as you can see N8, E9 etc all using Symbian^3, but you will see Nokia will start to release new phone with Symbian^4 next year.... So Nokia may not provide a good support for Symbian^3 again (same as N900 user)
If you still want to be Nokia phone user, then you will be very unhappy again and again....
If you still want to be Nokia phone user, then you will be very unhappy again and again....
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2010-09-19
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#39
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Originally Posted by cmsjkung
Well, why don't you start it off by not coming back to this site and selling your Nokia device first!
Forget it about, better get a new android phone or iphone and never get Nokia phone again, as you can see N8, E9 etc all using Symbian^3, but you will see Nokia will start to release new phone with Symbian^4 next year.... So Nokia may not provide a good support for Symbian^3 again (same as N900 user)
If you still want to be Nokia phone user, then you will be very unhappy again and again....
Do it! Do it for all of us!!!
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2010-09-19
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I don't understand why some people are only living in his/her own dream........ never wake up and see the truth.....
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Trivial in most situations, but it still has to be done. So even though the OS is ready, Nokia or this community will have to do that.
And besides... delays do happen.