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2010-11-16
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#32
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Originally Posted by RobbieThe1st
i didn't say it messes with the kernel. i said it hooks into preinit and turns the maemo bootprocess upside down. nice, great idea if you have no bootloader doing this. but not realy sane.
@lunat:
Bootmenu-n900 is more of just a loader, It doesn't mess with the kernel.
As it is, I think my app is just about the only thing that uses it really - Perhaps one ubuntu-on-n900 setup, but that's about it.
whats that fussing with the kernel thing about?
if you flash a kernel in the nand you fuss around with the kernel. you have to replace it.
with uboot on the other hand you can leave the original(working) kernel in place - no need to deinstall . so its quite the other way round. uboot stops the messing arround with the kernel.
i think you are still fixiated to the idea that the kernel has to be in the nand. no it has not! it can be in any place.
EDIT: if you say chainloading one bootloader from another is also not the nicest approach, i agree with you. nolo should be replaced: unfortunately i don't see that comming(to much stuff hidden in nolo). so with that chainloading is the 2nd best solution.
EDIT2: not kexecing to a different kernel if you use the preinit is imo a problem for the maemo kernel is made to work with all the closed stuff in maemo. if you don't have it, it's incomplete... and so ... better leave it as it is and if you want something different so do start something different and not begin with one thing and turn half ways round to do something else.
Last edited by lunat; 2010-11-16 at 04:52.
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2010-11-16
, 06:59
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#33
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Originally Posted by iDont
I didn't miss titans post about downgrading to v42. Also i'm aware of the extra's develop repos. But i prefer to let people choose if they want uboot or not. Titans kernel has a lot of improvements of the stock kernel. So let end-users use this kernel, but make it not more complicated than it already is. Some people are "just using" their device, others are pushing their device to the limits.
You've missed the point of extras-devel.
Also, see Titan's post (includes instructions to downgrade kernel-power)
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2010-11-16
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#34
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Originally Posted by N900@900MHz
what is this thing about not having a choice. just don't install it or do it if you know it is instable not working stuff from dev: thats a choice isn't it?
I didn't miss titans post about downgrading to v42. Also i'm aware of the extra's develop repos. But i prefer to let people choose if they want uboot or not. Titans kernel has a lot of improvements of the stock kernel. So let end-users use this kernel, but make it not more complicated than it already is. Some people are "just using" their device, others are pushing their device to the limits.
what you realy do is trying to enforce a decicion for others not to have the choice of using a surperior bootloader. and further demanding that decision should be based on comparison of a software that is not stable, explicitely under developement, with one that is stable and making the instability, beeing under developement as the critaria. thus completly ignoring that the criteria you base your demanded decision on only is a good reason for not having it in stable - which is the case.
edit:*realy* devel is a very clear name and if there /was/ something in it that would destroy your phone: i'd say, well, bad luck, thanks for finding the bug and sacrificing your device for a good purpose.
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2010-11-16
, 07:40
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#35
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Originally Posted by N900@900MHz
You've misread my reply.
I didn't miss titans post about downgrading to v42. Also i'm aware of the extra's develop repos. But i prefer to let people choose if they want uboot or not. Titans kernel has a lot of improvements of the stock kernel. So let end-users use this kernel, but make it not more complicated than it already is. Some people are "just using" their device, others are pushing their device to the limits.
I said you've missed the point about the extras-devel repository, not Titan's post. I quoted you saying 'most of the users want a stable custom kernel'. Well, then don't use the one from extras-devel. The link to Titan's post was just there to confirm what I was saying.
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2010-11-16
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#36
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I totally agree , no one is forcing you to use u-boot , and you should read the change log before upgrading any software , specially the kernel .
and if you want stability , stay away from -devel repository .
and if you want stability , stay away from -devel repository .
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2010-11-16
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#37
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I had some problems when updating from 43 to 44 and 44 to 45, after every update my phone would brick at the multiboot and it said something something panic. I assume that it's because of the change in name from 44 to 45 that does this.
Is this normal, and expected to be fixed in later updates, or do I have to keep on flashing everytime there's an update?
Is this normal, and expected to be fixed in later updates, or do I have to keep on flashing everytime there's an update?
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2010-11-16
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#38
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Originally Posted by Mengs
if something panic's is usually the kernel who is in panic. interessting thing is what made it panic? it tells you!
I had some problems when updating from 43 to 44 and 44 to 45, after every update my phone would brick at the multiboot and it said something something panic. I assume that it's because of the change in name from 44 to 45 that does this.
Is this normal, and expected to be fixed in later updates, or do I have to keep on flashing everytime there's an update?
its own name allone doesn't make it panicing. its not afraid of itself. serious: look at the errormessage.
EDIT: for the flashing: depends what they do with the uboot. i change the kernel several times a day without any flashing...
but you see it in this post: people insist on keeping up flashing....
Last edited by lunat; 2010-11-16 at 08:49.
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2010-11-16
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#39
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that's why i started this tread... other s have problems with uboot too.
see this post.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65461
see this post.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65461
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2010-11-16
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Originally Posted by lunat
Yeah, I'll have a look when the next update comes out.
if something panic's is usually the kernel who is in panic. interessting thing is what made it panic? it tells you!
its own name allone doesn't make it panicing. its not afraid of itself. serious: look at the errormessage.
I always thought that it was a more known problem, but I guess I'm one of the only ones with this problem...
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