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#31
Why should I?
 
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#32
Because that's the whole reason why it's open.

If you have a need, go ahead and fulfill it. You seem to know what it is that you want, so why don't you go ahead and make it happen? If you don't want the features badly enough that you'll work on it, what makes you think anyone else is going to? It's not like anyone owes it to you.
 
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Originally Posted by Frankowitz View Post
Give me a few examples of software that falls under your definition and is released (not promised).
I'm talking about the standard apps (which are crap and continue to be) and the development scene.
What large companies are you talking about? Skype?
Skype? I don't think Skype is a relevant player. I'm talking about Intel, Canonical, Debian, OLPC and Red Hat.

Look at news like this and this and this. Don't you think this broad industry support for the technologies used in the 770 and N800, namely Hildon, will have great impact for all users? This is what I mean when I say development got a massive push recently.

BTW: the existing and built in applications are not crap.
 
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#34
I'm not convinced by the links you post. And no, I don't think announcements of any kind are a big push. It needs releases.
I'm ending the discussion on my end.
 
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Originally Posted by zerojay View Post
If that's what you want, then get to work on it. There's nothing stopping you.
Seconded. I'm starting to get a little tired of all the people I see crying.
 
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#36
I noticed some of you people getting really defensive about the applications that are on the N800, whilst I appreciate all of the hard work put in, I think there could be a lot more and I stand by my statement saying that it's just a toy for me... It DOES what I purchased it for, however it is a little different to what I expected by the advertising and price paid.

My concern about the people whom are defensive is are you current developers taking the feedback personally??? Because I know having a QA background I constantly had to fire back @ developers and tell them what was missing or how things should function and it's not that easy to do when you know how much hard work it takes to build or even port applications to other platforms.

You know I hear clearly that Nokia is moving towards these other platforms etc... but still a better name for the Nokia 800 would have been "Nokia N800 50%" because without full java support... it will never get past being a hand held internet toy with "limited business application support".

And being from a technical background I appreciate the fact I have to scan through different repositories and sites to find the apps games and all of that jazz... but for the every day user it's a nightmare... people may want to not use windows any more but that doesn't mean they know how to or have the time to go through all the different repositories and download the other files necessary to run the application.

I don't know what the big deal about Skype is... I am sure the internet tablet could do alot better... all Nokia needs to do is see the opportunity to take some wind out of the iPhone, but has the opportunity been missed already?

As far as considering an N900... well I doubt it, Nokia has certainly lost no credibility in me purchasing the N800 but it certainly didn't gain, I am quite optimistic about what the N800 will do, however I have a feeling that Nokia if it acts will act far too late for me to care and I may already have a switch to a newever device before it's even a year old... thats when I will truely feel like I wasted money maybe.... However if things change enough in the mean time maybe my feelings will change...
 
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#37
Thanks testerj, for putting a little sense into this thread. My English isn't as good as I would like it to be, so I have some difficulty doing so myself.
I'm getting more and more tired of the Nokia fanclub on this forum. They get all worked up when you mention any negative word on Nokia/N800.
 
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#38
While i agree with testj, i can see the point about all the crying about what the n800 can't do can be annoying when it does what Nokia advertised it would do out of the box. If people would do there homework before that buy things on the fly they'd know the limitations of the device before hand.
Now if it's just that their giving feed back on the product and how the device can be improved then that is different. Feed back maybe seen as crying when so many people are suggesting the same thing. I don't see why anyone should take offense when giving free information on how to or what would better their product.
As a consumer device if Nokia really wants to sell this product they 'd improve some of the limitations sooner than later. My 3 are:
1. A sync tool for calendar, contacts, and tasks with MS Outlook is a must but the n800 is meant to be coupled with a mobile phone and most mobile phones have tools to do this so why do it twice may have been their thinking. But the business consumer spends lots of money every year why not get them to do it twice by buying your mobile phone then buying the n800 as well?
2. Skype is not that important to me but i'd like to it see soon as a bonus and with webcam support if possible.
3. A2DP is very important to me and should have been supported from the jump in my opinion. Most mobile users have cut the cord with bluetooth headsets on their cell phones, and now having to go back to corded headphones for the n800 just sucks.

I know there are work a rounds for this and that if you like getting your hands dirty but their would be a much larger consumer base if the n800 had all the capabilities of a wm pda and more builtin but done better.
 
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#39
Got to agree with blakboy98... IT OS 2007 certainly isn't yet ready for mass consumer ownership but if you accept you need to spend a little while educating yourself on how to get the best out of it then it generally works very well. I'm a fan of Nokia and what they're trying to achieve, but I'll also be the first to admit they're cocking some things up badly (ie. communication) and the software quality needs improving before it's ready for prime time.

If you're expecting Windows Mobile or Palm ease of use with the current firmware you'll be disappointed, however if you accept it's currently got warts and are prepared to put the hours in getting up the curve then you'll be happily surprised.

In the future I hope the learning curve is much reduced (if not eliminated) for the more casual users while still allowing "power users" (a class of user IMHO not really suited to Windows Mobile/Palm) to access the device as they can now (xterm, ssh, root access etc.).
 
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At current speed, I don't thing Nokia stand a chance to make the platform work. The 'big boys' will come by, overtake and get it right quicker.
I hope I'm wrong (I'm in it with 400$) but I think the Nokia Nx00 series is going to fade away 'Nokia style'.

The N800 won't get wings, it'll be dead before it can grow any.
 
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