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I dunno why this thread isn't locked, answered Daves question with my post.
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2013-12-15
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I think the more pertinent question is, "Can Jolla survive the next 6 months?" The smartphone industry is so fiercely competitive that Jolla would be hard pressed to survive if it made all the right moves but it has made so many wrong moves that it is like a comedy of errors. Among them are:
1) Taking too long to come out with Sailfish when the world has more or less consolidated into two major platforms - ios and Android.
2) Putting in Android compatibility instead of Harmattan apps compatibility. Android compatibility stunts the development of native apps while Harmattan compatibility would be an upgrade path for millions of N9 users plus ensured a pool of quality apps at launch.
3) Doing nothing to promote the development of native apps - no developer units, no developer programs, no contests, no resources and leaving the SDK in an alpha state until the phone was about to launch. Result - almost no native apps at launch.
4) Refusing to prioritize the shipping of early units to developers begging for them in order to test and release native apps. Strictly going on a first ordered first served basis resulted in early units being flogged off on e-bay and auction houses for insane prices.
5) Having no option for paid apps in Jolla store which will again stunt the development of native apps. Isn't this a higher priority than sending out T-shirts?
6) Not setting up a bug tracker and saying they have no time to read bugs so don't send them any bug reports.
7) Wasting their 5 mins of fame and free publicity by launching a buggy beta os unfit for general users. Jolla may improve its os later but will the world know about it?
The world doesn't care if Jolla is a small start-up or not. The question is, "After the group of open source geeks, nostalgic Meego enthusiasts and patriotic Finns have been satisfied who will Jolla sell their phones to?" General users have NO REASON to buy a phone for its Android compatibility when they can buy an Android phone. The only thing that can save Jolla is a pool of quality native apps but Jolla is unable to see this even though the lesson of BB10 is plain for all to see.
1) Taking too long to come out with Sailfish when the world has more or less consolidated into two major platforms - ios and Android.
2) Putting in Android compatibility instead of Harmattan apps compatibility. Android compatibility stunts the development of native apps while Harmattan compatibility would be an upgrade path for millions of N9 users plus ensured a pool of quality apps at launch.
3) Doing nothing to promote the development of native apps - no developer units, no developer programs, no contests, no resources and leaving the SDK in an alpha state until the phone was about to launch. Result - almost no native apps at launch.
4) Refusing to prioritize the shipping of early units to developers begging for them in order to test and release native apps. Strictly going on a first ordered first served basis resulted in early units being flogged off on e-bay and auction houses for insane prices.
5) Having no option for paid apps in Jolla store which will again stunt the development of native apps. Isn't this a higher priority than sending out T-shirts?
6) Not setting up a bug tracker and saying they have no time to read bugs so don't send them any bug reports.
7) Wasting their 5 mins of fame and free publicity by launching a buggy beta os unfit for general users. Jolla may improve its os later but will the world know about it?
The world doesn't care if Jolla is a small start-up or not. The question is, "After the group of open source geeks, nostalgic Meego enthusiasts and patriotic Finns have been satisfied who will Jolla sell their phones to?" General users have NO REASON to buy a phone for its Android compatibility when they can buy an Android phone. The only thing that can save Jolla is a pool of quality native apps but Jolla is unable to see this even though the lesson of BB10 is plain for all to see.
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2013-12-15
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Originally Posted by Kein
Honestly, without the Android support I would have probably not bothered with Jolla. I have been there with N900, N9 and Z10. Wont bother with that anymore. Been there, done that. Like you said, most of us are settled to iOS and Android.
I think the more pertinent question is, "Can Jolla survive the next 6 months?" The smartphone industry is so fiercely competitive that Jolla would be hard pressed to survive if it made all the right moves but it has made so many wrong moves that it is like a comedy of errors. Among them are:
1) Taking too long to come out with Sailfish when the world has more or less consolidated into two major platforms - ios and Android.
2) Putting in Android compatibility instead of Harmattan apps compatibility. Android compatibility stunts the development of native apps while Harmattan compatibility would be an upgrade path for millions of N9 users plus ensured a pool of quality apps at launch.
3) Doing nothing to promote the development of native apps - no developer units, no developer programs, no contests, no resources and leaving the SDK in an alpha state until the phone was about to launch. Result - almost no native apps at launch.
4) Refusing to prioritize the shipping of early units to developers begging for them in order to test and release native apps. Strictly going on a first ordered first served basis resulted in early units being flogged off on e-bay and auction houses for insane prices.
5) Having no option for paid apps in Jolla store which will again stunt the development of native apps. Isn't this a higher priority than sending out T-shirts?
6) Not setting up a bug tracker and saying they have no time to read bugs so don't send them any bug reports.
7) Wasting their 5 mins of fame and free publicity by launching a buggy beta os unfit for general users. Jolla may improve its os later but will the world know about it?
The world doesn't care if Jolla is a small start-up or not. The question is, "After the group of open source geeks, nostalgic Meego enthusiasts and patriotic Finns have been satisfied who will Jolla sell their phones to?" General users have NO REASON to buy a phone for its Android compatibility when they can buy an Android phone. The only thing that can save Jolla is a pool of quality native apps but Jolla is unable to see this even though the lesson of BB10 is plain for all to see.
I or you both know with this Android app decision or without we will see similar kind of hobbyist apps as we have seen on N900 and N9. Not all that great and nowhere near enough to anybody who has got accustomed to Android, iOS or WP. Meaning over 95% of current smartphone users. Though I agree that they are not really putting much effort for native apps at the moment.
As for the buggy OS. Jolla was already late 6 months, most likely thanks to ST-Ericsson. They need to get the OS and device out there to start generating revenue and get feedback from customers and their possible future partners. What I have seen so far has been no worse or better than iPhone, HTC G1 or N9. There's no such thing as a complete or not buggy smartphone OS on launch and there never will be.
And yes they do have pretty much a impossible task a head of themselves. Though you got a hand it them that they have got this far already. There are countless of startups that die before they get anywhere near at launching that hardware. While Jolla has managed to ship out their own OS and hardware on one of the most, if not the most fierce industry there is.
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2013-12-15
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True, but I feel like there was all this effort wasted in just getting the hardware done (designing, signing deals, QC, etc etc).
Why didn't Jolla just pick a host device; eg Nexus 4.
Then moved on with the software. Pretty much get the software done (less buggy and more features) and have Android compatibility layer.
They could then re-badge the devices and sell it themselves. Or they can accept people's devices and wipe the devices and ship them back with Jolla OS. Hell they could accept handset only, and shipping back in a Jolla device box with the manual, Thank you card and all the other tidbits to please consumers.
Ofcourse, this is a less ambitious attempt but it would've been more rewarding. Even though the Nexus 4 would've become outdated by the likes of the Nexus 5. But its still a better handset than the Jolla.
Hell, they could've done the Nexus 5 as the next device... and maybe even go as far as the Note 3, SGS4, HTC One etc etc. Once the software is nailed (incl. the SDK) they could then try for their own handset... or maybe partner up with an OEM to do so.
Imagine a Jolla device based on their specifications and ordered from LG. Just like how the Nexus 5 is a variant of the LG G2 despite looking and feeling completely different. Or maybe Samsung for some SAMOLED goodness like a clock screen saver and dynamic notifications.
Why didn't Jolla just pick a host device; eg Nexus 4.
Then moved on with the software. Pretty much get the software done (less buggy and more features) and have Android compatibility layer.
They could then re-badge the devices and sell it themselves. Or they can accept people's devices and wipe the devices and ship them back with Jolla OS. Hell they could accept handset only, and shipping back in a Jolla device box with the manual, Thank you card and all the other tidbits to please consumers.
Ofcourse, this is a less ambitious attempt but it would've been more rewarding. Even though the Nexus 4 would've become outdated by the likes of the Nexus 5. But its still a better handset than the Jolla.
Hell, they could've done the Nexus 5 as the next device... and maybe even go as far as the Note 3, SGS4, HTC One etc etc. Once the software is nailed (incl. the SDK) they could then try for their own handset... or maybe partner up with an OEM to do so.
Imagine a Jolla device based on their specifications and ordered from LG. Just like how the Nexus 5 is a variant of the LG G2 despite looking and feeling completely different. Or maybe Samsung for some SAMOLED goodness like a clock screen saver and dynamic notifications.
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2013-12-15
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Originally Posted by Miharin
Do you know who came up the name jPhone.
The jPhone, but pronounced with the letter j as in Finnish, so "Yay-Phone"
I'm just trying to build a brand. Having a phone and calling it nothing or jolla(same as company) is so weak from a commercial stand point. I hope jolla starting using the term jPhone. It's even more important when this second device comes out so customers can refer to them fast and easy with a catchy word like jPhone ll.
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2013-12-15
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Originally Posted by Rauha
Trying to push my luck
lol @ expecting moderating on TMO.
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2013-12-15
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Originally Posted by tissot
Give the buggy and incomplete state of the OS now, one wonders what state it would have been in 6 months ago ...
As for the buggy OS. Jolla was already late 6 months.
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2013-12-15
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Originally Posted by strongm
Guys, forget the past and think of what state it will be in 6 months. It will be interesting how fast jolla can push features while without regression.
Give the buggy and incomplete state of the OS now, one wonders what state it would have been in 6 months ago ...
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2013-12-15
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I really like that the phone and the company have the same name. It's like when bands release albums with no names.
I'm not looking forward to their black UI with no writing on it though. :-)
I'm not looking forward to their black UI with no writing on it though. :-)
Loosen up. Why so... no. I won't go there.