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Neon Samurai is offline Neon Samurai
2008-10-02 , 19:32
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#401
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Um, yeah, I don't think you understand what the initfs and kernel flashing procedure does. It doesn't touch your rootfs on either the internal NAND nor any partitions on the card.

There is no need to reclone, all of your information is still there, you just have to reflash the initfs so you can boot from the card. . . .
yeah, I can fully admit this being my own limited understanding. As mentioned, this time I borked it all myself by chewing the wifi support prematurely. The last time was a hung boot. I can see how initfs and kernel should simply need the boot loader menu reimaged so now it's a matter of seeing it happen on my own device.

(edit because I'm slow today and closed before I was finished): offhand, is there documentation on how the initfs integrates? I know the general process is initial byte code -> RAM -> bios -> initfs -> kernel (or kernel -> initfs). Is there some subtle difference with maemo or am I just not thinking it through?
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2008-10-02 , 19:45
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#402
Originally Posted by Neon Samurai View Post
I could be mistaken but I thought the internal flash block the factory default setup sits on was 512 meg because 256 seems a bit small. I tried to confirm on mine here just now but it's booted of the SD and it's been a long while since I've booted the internal flash.
It's 256MB, but it's using jffs2, a filesystem that compresses data (both to fit more on, and especially to avoid wearing out the flash), so you get around 512MB of data on it (depending on the data, of course).

Now, the internal SD non removable and limited to 2 gig.. if that is really the N800's removable SD slot under the plastic shell, me and a rotary tool may be getting an internal SD upgrade. I haven't had the guts to look into that beyond theory yet though. The only thing I missed between the N800 and N810 was the two removable allowing the device to max out around 8*2 = 16 gig of SD storage.
No, there's no SD slot under there -- the SD interface is used for an SD-compatible SMT chip. You'd have to desolder that, then solder on some fine wires running to an SD socket or soldered directly onto an SD. Doable, but only with appropriate skills+equipment. Nobody with said skills and equipment has seen fit to do it yet, though.

And that 8GB is invalid -- there are 16 and 32 GB SDs, and 16GB microSDs available now. I hope you've looked at craves1's adapter thread? He's manufacturing (and soon selling) full-size SD adapters that convert the external miniSD into an internal SD; two versions are available, and possibly a third for people who are good friends with a rotary tool. (The latter will permit the standard battery door; the former are for a custom bulged battery door w/standard battery, and for adding to the door that comes with a Mugen 3.6Ah battery.) If 16GB would make you happy, one of those should do the trick.
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2008-10-02 , 19:55
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#403
Originally Posted by Neon Samurai View Post
I could be mistaken but I thought the internal flash block the factory default setup sits on was 512 meg because 256 seems a bit small. I tried to confirm on mine here just now but it's booted of the SD and it's been a long while since I've booted the internal flash.

Now, the internal SD non removable and limited to 2 gig.. if that is really the N800's removable SD slot under the plastic shell, me and a rotary tool may be getting an internal SD upgrade. I haven't had the guts to look into that beyond theory yet though. The only thing I missed between the N800 and N810 was the two removable allowing the device to max out around 8*2 = 16 gig of SD storage.
the flash is 256, the 2Gb has been discussed heavily and noone has figured out a way to upgrade it without major brain surgery.
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and there is a thread to use a 32GB card going, plus 16Gb micro cards are out (but pricey)
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Neon Samurai is offline Neon Samurai
2008-10-02 , 20:27
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Originally Posted by gemniii42 View Post
the flash is 256, the 2Gb has been discussed heavily and noone has figured out a way to upgrade it without major brain surgery.
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and there is a thread to use a 32GB card going, plus 16Gb micro cards are out (but pricey)
hm.. drat, so it's not just the plastic casing over a removable SD slot that I can swap and clone? That saves me hacking up the chassis under the back panel at least.
 
Neon Samurai is offline Neon Samurai
2008-10-02 , 20:32
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#405
Originally Posted by Benson View Post
And that 8GB is invalid -- there are 16 and 32 GB SDs, and 16GB microSDs available now. I hope you've looked at craves1's adapter thread? He's manufacturing (and soon selling) full-size SD adapters that convert the external miniSD into an internal SD; two versions are available, and possibly a third for people who are good friends with a rotary tool. (The latter will permit the standard battery door; the former are for a custom bulged battery door w/standard battery, and for adding to the door that comes with a Mugen 3.6Ah battery.) If 16GB would make you happy, one of those should do the trick.
I'll have to let you know if more than 16 gig will make me happy once I fill my 8 gig though by then a mini larger that 8 gig will probably do just fine. I think it's more the percieved feeling of a hardware downgrade by giving up the internal SD slot.

I did the same thing with my Palm before the N800. "upgrading" from T5 to LifeDrive seemed like a hardware downgrade. It was the newer unit but platter drives, slower cpu and some there functions left out that the T5 had. In the end, the N800 was the first device that was actually an upgrade from the T5.. so I upgraded. Now, the T5 is only used for bluetooth stuff I can't yet replace under maemo.

Good to know about the internal slot before I go hacking up mine though.
 
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2008-10-02 , 20:49
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#406
uh oh.. i got this trying to install osso.

Some packages could not be installed. This may mea n that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are us ing the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug re port against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diab lo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200835maemo1) but 2.6.21-2008 35maemo1rotation is to be installed
Depends: libsdl-mixe r1.2 (= 1.2.6-4) but 1.2.8-1 is to be installed
Depends: xserver-xom ap (= 1:1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20083101) but 1: 1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20083101rotation is to b e installed
E: Broken packages
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sjgadsby is offline sjgadsby
2008-10-02 , 20:50
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#407
Originally Posted by Neon Samurai View Post
...so it's not just the plastic casing over a removable SD slot that I can swap and clone?
No, it's MoviNAND. Most likely it's a KMBDG0000A, though it could be a KMAKG0000M. Either way, someone with the right tools and knowledge of how to use them should be able to double their N810's internal storage. And if the N810s use KMAKG0000Ms, then an upgrade to 8GB is possible.
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2008-10-02 , 21:17
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#408
Updated before I headed into work and gave it a thorough work over.

On 3 UK 3G but MicroB is responsive and faster than it used to be in parts. Youtube is much better to use than before and the video controls are responsive to the touch rather than waiting a year and a day just to pause video.

Boot times are noticeably quicker too I think. Modest (as usual) is a massive disappointment and only serves to slow down the tablet and cause me immense amounts of stress, grief and pain as it struggles to process gmail IMAP with the speed and understanding of a ninety year old Victorian trying to learn C++.

Usually, when I'm on Wifi and the device suddenly crawls to a halt, you know that Modest is trying to comprehend the concept of web e-mail accounts and IMAP. I've deleted my g-mail account details from the tablet to solve the problem
 
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2008-10-02 , 22:22
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#409
Originally Posted by maacruz View Post
- The update contains a documentation package. This package causes a lot of trouble, because it fails if the user has moved, removed or linked the documentation files:
It fails if there is no files in "/usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/". Create that directory and touch or put a file there if you have that deleted.
It fails if the "/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/osso_software_copyright.pdf" file is a symlink
It fails if the "/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/~sfil_li_folder_user_guides/" directory is a symlink or is empty. Make sure you have an actual directory with any file there.
Oh, now *that* REALLY pisses me off.

I have the internal card reformatted as ext2 so that I could use it as a default user space. And the way I normally did this was to symlink /home/user/MyDocs to that. So, kaboom.

What in the almighty hell is a .deb doing even glancing sideways at the /home directory? That's the user's playground. You DO-NOT-TOUCH the user's playground. Ever.

GRARGH.
 
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2008-10-03 , 00:04
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#410
OK, sorry if this has been answered before. Sliderotate seems to have been updated for 36-5, but I am unable to properly install it.

If I go through xTerm, I can install it, BUT it uninstalls osso-software-version-rx44, which would disable the future software SSU. It says there is a problem with xserver-xomap when i try to install osso.

Is there a way to get sliderotate and osso-software-version together?
 
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