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Originally Posted by ericsson
wtf dont forget ATARI on this list
The race was between Commodore, Apple and a few others, Oric etc. The IBM PC was extremely expensive in comparison, a factor 10 typically. But because of Word Perfect and Lotus, MSFS and so on, the only thing to have was a IBM or a clone. CP/M had nothing to do with this, at that time the world were all Commodore and Amstradt, Oric and so on while IBM was exclusively business. Commodore faught well, but had to give in eventually.
I remember bying my first 486 PC with windows 3.1 it was a ****ing downgrade from amiga and atari. Then come first beta of wiindows 95 and killed both atari and amiga. but I am still sure ataris os had a chance to win if not Microshit had marketikng windows like hell.
no it seems history will repeat and WP kills Meego and then Android in some year as mass market device in west.
but still I will buy n9 I will never buy wp****.
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Originally Posted by danramos
You are starting to be creepy, very creepy. So what you are saying is that my misspellings are wrong, they are not correct misspells. Well, I'd rather be the one with incorrect misspells than the one who points out the incorrectness of the misspells any day.
Somebody seems to have forgotten MS/DOS's heritage and why it was bought (aside from being a cheap and desperate need to quickly give SOMETHING to IBM after already selling an OS they didn't yet have, it was easy to port CP/M apps and commands onto... at least, originally).
Also... faught? I laughed. Hard. So hard, I nearly faughted.
Suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M#MS-DOS_takes_over
Forget about CP/M. Even though CP/M vs DOS is somewhat interesting stuff, it is irrelevant in the context of mid to late 80 - early 90 computer wars.
And yes, Atari must not be forgotten.
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
I was a registered third-party developer with Atari Corp. for AtariDOS (8-bit) and GEM/TOS (ST/STe/TT/Falcon) computers. I didn't really get into Atari's MiNT OS and Commodore's AmigaDOS until later but by that time I was already dabbling in Linux and the Commie vs Atari wars were dying down and PC's were the way to go and I started to really like Windows 95.
wtf dont forget ATARI on this list
I remember bying my first 486 PC with windows 3.1 it was a ****ing downgrade from amiga and atari. Then come first beta of wiindows 95 and killed both atari and amiga. but I am still sure ataris os had a chance to win if not Microshit had marketikng windows like hell.
no it seems history will repeat and WP kills Meego and then Android in some year as mass market device in west.
but still I will buy n9 I will never buy wp****.
Thanks for mentioning Atari!
Originally Posted by ericsson
Yes, yes. We've already figured out you'd rather be in the wrong--even about CP/M and other historical and technical details.
Well, I'd rather be the one with incorrect misspells than the one who points out the incorrectness of the misspells any day.
No need to point that out too--in fact, why WOULD you? You're weird, man. Weird. 
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Originally Posted by danramos
LOL, well what relevance is there between CP/M and DOS and late 80s - early 90s battle for market shares between Commodore, IBM PC (and clones), Atari, Apple etc ?
I was a registered third-party developer with Atari Corp. for AtariDOS (8-bit) and GEM/TOS (ST/STe/TT/Falcon) computers. I didn't really get into Atari's MiNT OS and Commodore's AmigaDOS until later but by that time I was already dabbling in Linux and the Commie vs Atari wars were dying down and PC's were the way to go and I started to really like Windows 95.
Yes, yes. We've already figured out you'd rather be in the wrong--even about CP/M and other historical and technical details.
Besides, already back then (mid 80s) I knew where the world was heading - towards MS and PCs while others wandered aimlessly in all the wrong directions (Amiga, Apple, Atari) and for all the wrong reasons, mainly that of being fanboys.
Another thing danramos, if you don't want to discuss the topic, then at least stop responding to my posts. You are a millimetre from ending up on my ignore list (if this site got it that is).
Edit: found the ignore list, and danramos is on it
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Originally Posted by ericsson
MS Windows 95 was built on MS DOS, which was culled/modified from QDOS when IBM requested a DOS system from them.
LOL, well what relevance is there between CP/M and DOS and late 80s - early 90s battle for market shares between Commodore, IBM PC (and clones), Atari, Apple etc ?
DOS remained at the core of their operating systems until the WinNT kernel became mainstream - namely Windows 2000, which has further spawned WinXP, Vista and now Windows 7 as well as their server products.
It's relevant in the same way that Berkley Software spawned the paths that lead to all BSD based UNIX out there - GNU project included (inspired it at least)... which spawned MINIX and GNU/Linux.
Now, with that nonsense aside, the battleground included Commodore, Apple (with an UI), Amiga (with an UI), IBM, Microsoft and quite a few other players - Digital, WANG, Atari, Tandy, Sinclair and many, many others. During those days, competition was the norm... not so much now.
Back to the so-called subject at hand. Elop as a trojan horse begs to ask one question... how did the board of directors truly fall for the whole "ecosystem" sale pitch from Microsoft and it's not an environment that many people in Europe utilize, support or have shown to be able to access or shown willingness to get behind.
That's like selling fire to people in Hades (note: hyperbole).
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Originally Posted by patlak
MS is the best thing that happened to nokia. MS made a mistake of going with nokia. Nokia is a loser
You really have no idea what MeeGo is? And what Nokia's planned ecosystem was? How much is MS paying you? You don't seem to understand anything anti-MS. MS is the holy grail for you.
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Originally Posted by danramos
oh ATARI, no wonder why u so grumpy. you jump on dead platform alot.
I was a registered third-party developer with Atari Corp. for AtariDOS (8-bit) and GEM/TOS (ST/STe/TT/Falcon) computers. I didn't really get into Atari's MiNT OS and Commodore's AmigaDOS until later but by that time I was already dabbling in Linux and the Commie vs Atari wars were dying down and PC's were the way to go and I started to really like Windows 95.
Yes, yes. We've already figured out you'd rather be in the wrong--even about CP/M and other historical and technical details.
i guess u now make apps for windows phones another burning platoform.
@gerick, board of directors is american blindfold one, the company success looks like more smart engineering from way on below them, rather their execution.
under their wing Elop sold macromedia to adobe, the guy have story of selling stuff.
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Add everyone to your ignore list and OWN the thread! Or as someone once put it: "to tell your name - the livelong June - to an admiring bog!"
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the board of directors fell prey to years of brainwashing by the likes of McKinsey (who painted visions of future involving profit made from ecosystem vs profits from a free open OS.) Obviously that was biased given 5he consultants' own experience.
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Also... faught? I laughed. Hard. So hard, I nearly faughted.
Suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M#MS-DOS_takes_over
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