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Don't get me wrong, endso. It's definitely a disaster, I totally agree with that. The turmoil we have seen so far, with the sterling falling and never recovered, are just a hint of things to come. The real effects will come years and decades after. Sadly peple have short memories. When the real recession comes, they will have forgotten that it was the result of their stupid vote 10 years ago.
All I am saying is that there might be a chance to make it work. None of the alternatives is nearly as good as staying in, but some alternatives are worse than others. Leaving the EU and leaving the common market would be an undisputed economic suicide for sure.
All I am saying is that there might be a chance to make it work. None of the alternatives is nearly as good as staying in, but some alternatives are worse than others. Leaving the EU and leaving the common market would be an undisputed economic suicide for sure.
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2016-09-04
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
I'm not sure if current snow countries are equal to an ice age. If they are I'm sure we will be fine.
can humans survive another ice age?
Honestly...Many Alaskans, Many Canadians, Fins, Swedes, Russians, etc...from the north of north won't find it a big ordeal...in fact the climatic pendulum swinging back would be a welcome blessing...
I know until I moved to the pacific coast...my dog and I used to toboggan, snow shoe, cross country ski, and ice fish...in daily winter temperatures from -20 to -40....quite happily...
only people suffering from an ice age will be the city people...really...
Northern cities will hurt the most...and become abandoned..
wheat and other crops produced in a huge swath of the northern hemisphere would be null...
mass migrations would occur except for those who have no problem with such weather...
wildlife wouldn't suffer ...they would do fine....
but the timeline to a serious ice age would be awfully long to truly encroach and affect humanity...it would take generations upon generations to really start showing ...
It may in fact happen considering how out of whack the planet is..but it would take a long time to build up steam and impact seriously...
Serious "cold snaps" where the frozen ground gets so cold it cracks...utters nasty "bangs"..and "groans" (really truly...it does groan...) ...or Ice storms...we Canadians have been dealing with for a long time now...a nasty side effect... more devastating in it's sharp immediate impact... than any ice age...the damage to crops and trees ...to power lines and infrastructure...and the time to recover measured in weeks ...or even months...for some areas....is truly horrible...
Hm...in fact...I think we have already gone through at least one or two recorded mini ice ages already...years ...decades..with far colder than normal temps.
Interestingly...the data is also in..that the climate change we are experiencing isn't something that we just recently started...
It started during the industrial revolution...
One thing for sure....
We as a species need to fix how we interact with our environment...
or flee it into some generated micro-verse (it being the most energy cost efficient method..than fleeing off planet..or some other method...such as changing the biology of life here to adapt...)
else we may end up being an example of the Fermi paradox gone bad...
I still think food might be an issue with 1000ends years of snow. What do we eat when all cans with tuna is gone?
the animals won't survive wont survive since there is no food, only snow...so no milk, meat and eggs...maybe fish but I fear the ice is too hard to break.Why did the mammuths die during the last ice age?
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2016-09-04
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Originally Posted by Dave999
They did not. They died out after the last ice age.
Why did the mammuths die during the last ice age?
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2016-09-05
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Becouse they couldnt find any ice?
They did not. They died out after the last ice age.
What about the saber tooth tiger. Did they extinct themself during the ice age?
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2016-09-05
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Mainly because there was an new very efficient predator species that hunted them all down.
Becouse they couldnt find any ice?
Originally Posted by Dave999
Smilodon went extinct quite a while before that event.
What about the saber tooth tiger. Did they extinct themself during the ice age?
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2016-09-05
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Originally Posted by Dave999
I suggest you do some research on the subject before jumping to conclusions.
I'm not sure if current snow countries are equal to an ice age. If they are I'm sure we will be fine.
I still think food might be an issue with 1000ends years of snow. What do we eat when all cans with tuna is gone?
There is really a whole lot of research & literature available on the conditions and fauna during the latest Ice Age.
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2016-09-05
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It is easy to attribute the extinction of certain species to their inability to adapt to the changed environment. But I believe the truth is a bit more complex. This is far from a new idea, Mr Darwin outlined it already in his seminal book in 1859.
The evolution is driven not by the adaptation to the changing environment. Or rather it is, but to a lesser extent (such as highly specialized species may be affected by an environmental change that made their specialization a burden). The primary driver is competition. Conifers can grow and even thrive in warm climates, but are out-competed by faster growing deciduous trees, and so conifers are pushed out to colder climates where deciduous trees do not fare as well.
So it is with the fauna. Wooly mammoths were well adapted to the cold climate but I am not sure it meant they could not survive a bit of heat. It is possible, but I believe it is just as likely that the warmer climate opened the gates to other fauna that could not previously survive in the same area due to the cold and the invaders out-competed them for resources, triggering their extinction.
Are we going to survive the environmental change that we ourselves have triggered? I honestly would not dare to predict that but I can tell you this. I brew mead and other fermented beverages in my spare time and see it all the time that one organism, in this case the yeast, can start off by molding their environment to better suit them and out-compete other organisms (fungi, bacteria...), eventually becoming the dominant species. But they do not stop there. They continue changing their environment until they eventually poison it for themselves and die.
The evolution is driven not by the adaptation to the changing environment. Or rather it is, but to a lesser extent (such as highly specialized species may be affected by an environmental change that made their specialization a burden). The primary driver is competition. Conifers can grow and even thrive in warm climates, but are out-competed by faster growing deciduous trees, and so conifers are pushed out to colder climates where deciduous trees do not fare as well.
So it is with the fauna. Wooly mammoths were well adapted to the cold climate but I am not sure it meant they could not survive a bit of heat. It is possible, but I believe it is just as likely that the warmer climate opened the gates to other fauna that could not previously survive in the same area due to the cold and the invaders out-competed them for resources, triggering their extinction.
Are we going to survive the environmental change that we ourselves have triggered? I honestly would not dare to predict that but I can tell you this. I brew mead and other fermented beverages in my spare time and see it all the time that one organism, in this case the yeast, can start off by molding their environment to better suit them and out-compete other organisms (fungi, bacteria...), eventually becoming the dominant species. But they do not stop there. They continue changing their environment until they eventually poison it for themselves and die.
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Originally Posted by juiceme
How would anyone know? It's the future...
I suggest you do some research on the subject before jumping to conclusions.
There is really a whole lot of research & literature available on the conditions and fauna during the latest Ice Age.
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
London Will be fine. The Funny thing is If you live in the outskirts bambory in the middle of nowhere and there is hard time to get à job before? Soon it Will be impossible.
Brexit makes about as much sense fiscally as ...
Quebec leaving Canada..
I believe Brexit is suicide...
only way we'll know is if/when it happens...
then we can watch what happens...
it is really an unknown as to what the impact of leaving will be ....
since nothing like this has happened before ...
I know just the vote and announcement of leaving ...
that alone rocked markets globally...
I think the act of leaving will have less a global effect next...
and more a specific regional precise impact...
on the British Isles...
But before we jump to suicide. We dont Know the condition of the UK witdrawl. If the want/need to pay a fee to get access, like Norway. Or if the can get great deals with other big markets, unfortunately I guess they can't compete with EU,China,US,India or other bigger markets. Maybe new USUK Atlantic Deal. So they have to find a way to make money, while companies must have a compelling reason to be there? Dump prices, lower enterprise taxes...who knows? No matter what the poorest will pay.
It's bad for EU too. Not that it matter much that UK leaves. But other counties might leave too which could be troublesome for them.
Will be interesting to see what happens...both with UK, EU, US elections as well as the future Ice age and alien invasion.
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Not suicide to leave?
How was global confidence after Greece danced on that knife blade ? It may go well for Britain ...
Can't rule out that microscopic possibility ...but it is apparent the damage done thus far to the markets ...that continuing to dance on the knife blade is just going to continue to cause even more damage ...
The EU will economically survive it....the globe will survive it...but will Britain survive the cost of it?
It is a trite thing to say that the cost is an easy thing to afford ...when one has not seen the final tabulated bill...
Canada went through our own such crisis with Quebec...
I and the rest of the nation watched it quite intently... it definitely had investor and economic impacts...that the country survived ..but the Quebec political movement to separate... finally imploded from the knife blade dance...it took decades of dancing ....in our particular case.. if it is the choice of Britain to leave ...wish you the best...
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