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2010-07-17
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Seems like you really want the community to die so you can point fingers at Nokia...
Nothing to do with developers. Or, rather, even more reason we need developers, because other than that "crippling closed-source" (which is such a small part that few developers will ever hit those boundaries) it's the community that can fix your crippled user experience.
But you're rather intent on getting rid of community developers - just so you can say "Ha, see - I told you!"???
Then what are you still doing here? MeeGo has it's own community - so no reason to stay with something that's dead, right?
And what exactly has THAT to do with application developers? Take those complaints to Nokia, get rid of the device, get something else. No reason to tell developers to stay away from this community just because of your bad experiences with customer support.
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2010-07-17
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2010-07-17
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2010-07-17
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Just making sure that this was meant for the general reader, not in direct response to me, for then you would be preaching to the choir. I'm one of the most avid DRM enemies on these forums...
Though neither the number of lines, nor the complexity nor whether it's new software or recompiled one really matters - what's important in the end is whether it's useful for the customer.
But there's a fine line between criticism and flaming someone for being "tha worst dev eva so stop wastin repos space with ya ****". And the most harmful thing is generalising free software as "junk by definition" - imagine you're a new developer bracing yourself to release something for this platform and then you read that people think that (no matter how much effort is put into your project) it's going to be junk because it's free...
We have quite a few great applications in the repositories [...] Most of them have a development team of no more than two or three members.[...] which do pretty well with 1-3 developers.
Just because there are a handful of quite vocal flamers out there who love to bash projects that doesn't mean that everybody thinks that one-man-applications are junk.
Actually, the less members are in a project team, the higher the probability that the team will LISTEN to user opinions.
I don't remember posting that developers don't get help in this community...
There are more than enough GREAT developers out there who do it for the kick of getting know. Heck, developers being egomaniacs is one of the big IT clichés!
Again, please re-read my post. I posted what a developers SEES when he's new to maemo and the reasons that throw off potential new developers.
But WE AS A COMMUNITY make it LOOK like this is a dead platform inhabited by a mere handful of ungrateful zombies. And that image is what we have to fight in order to attract new developers.
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2010-07-17
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2010-07-20
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WoW! Lots of Essays... Nice essays..
N900 + Community = Living
N900 - Community = Dead
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Spread it!
(Though neither the number of lines, nor the complexity nor whether it's new software or recompiled one really matters - what's important in the end is whether it's useful for the customer.)
Nobody wants to be thanked just because it's free, regardless of the quality of an app - constructive criticism to a product is always welcome, and I know few "serious" developers who don't appreciate it.
But there's a fine line between criticism and flaming someone for being "tha worst dev eva so stop wastin repos space with ya ****". And the most harmful thing is generalising free software as "junk by definition" - imagine you're a new developer bracing yourself to release something for this platform and then you read that people think that (no matter how much effort is put into your project) it's going to be junk because it's free...
We're not talking about PC games here, but mobile applications, which do pretty well with 1-3 developers.
And who ever talked about not listening to the opinions of the users? Just because there are a handful of quite vocal flamers out there who love to bash projects that doesn't mean that everybody thinks that one-man-applications are junk.
Actually, the less members are in a project team, the higher the probability that the team will LISTEN to user opinions. Look at all the "what do you want for the next release" threads out there, most of which are made by single developers.
What I wrote was:
Developers get thanks, karma, help, whatever - thus the fuzzy feelings.
Developers get flames, generalisations, and are greeted by "piss off" - thus the disappearance of the fuzzy feelings.
But thanks to all this talk about how maemo was dead developers who just joined this community THINK that there are no users out there, and that's exactly the problem. WE make them believe it's not worth developing for maemo even though it IS.
There are more than enough GREAT developers out there who do it for the kick of getting know. Heck, developers being egomaniacs is one of the big IT clichés!
The problem of this community is not that there's no support for developers. It's not that there's no userbase. It's not that there's nothing to be gained from working on maemo applications.
There's LOTS of support, MANY people who would use a good application, MORE THAN ENOUGH money, fame, exposure to be gained.
But WE AS A COMMUNITY make it LOOK like this is a dead platform inhabited by a mere handful of ungrateful zombies. And that image is what we have to fight in order to attract new developers.