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2010-07-23 , 07:06
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#421
Originally Posted by jakiman View Post
It is in best interest by the FCam developer to see if he can get it working with the most popular custom kernel for the N900. It's a win win if he can pull it off as he'll get much more FCam users. (Obviosly, it might be the other way around and titan might need to modify his kernel to not conflict with FCam.)
what if titan made his kernel in a way that everything except three random apps crash once in a hour?

so actually it should be titan's work to make his kernel compatible to stock one...
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2010-07-23 , 07:08
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#422
Originally Posted by jakiman View Post
You quoted my post but accused about things I've never said or done. I'll just assume you were referring to some other ignorant posters and not me.
Don't worry, I only quoted your post for the sin part and countered with something that actually HAS been posted. Guess I'll have to point fingers next time to avoid confusion about whom what part of a message is directed at.

I'll bet titan's kernel (due to overclocking support) is and will continue to be more popular than FCam and I mean that with absolutely no intention of disrespect to FCam whatsoever. (I'm a photography buff and love the idea of FCam and I've thanked the developer already.)

You'll be surprised how many actually overclock but don't even have accounts at TMO. (I know at least 5 people at work and many more at other community forums) However, many who do want to use FCam are also TMO buffs and many of them would be also using titan's kernel. (titan's kernel was useful even before overclocking was discovered. NTFS, USP/IP etc. Overclocking support was added later on and he did a mighty fine job as he put fail-safe's in place for even the noobs.)
I wouldn't be so sure about the numbers - overclockers have always made up a fairly small percentage with any hardware, and while of course the N900 attracts more tech inclined userbase, I wouldn't say that the majority of N900 users overclock their device.

For the "not registered" argument goes the other way round just as well - lots of unregistered non-overclocking TMO buffs, too.

But that's not even the point. No matter how many overclockers are out there, it's just not true that one HAS to know and care about the custom kernel in order to be considered a valid N900 user. I understand how it's an important part of this community for you, but it's not for others.

From the point of view of someone not interested in overclocking and thus with a more removed view on things, all I can say is that it's NOT "one of the hottest topics" (not posted by yourself again - just making sure ) on TMO - unless the hot refers to the posting count of a single thread.

It is in best interest by the FCam developer to see if he can get it working with the most popular custom kernel for the N900. It's a win win if he can pull it off as he'll get much more FCam users.
I wouldn't argue with that, as even if only 1% of all N900 used the kernel, it would still be worth getting FCam to work with it. It's just that I don't think they are OBLIGED to do it, as opposed to the win-win situation, ditching the custom kernel users wouldn't exactly be a loose-loose situation. More like a nothing gained-loose situation (which, as far as I know, is no official part of game theory, so I'll stop abusing that one now ).

With that in mind, I just don't get the need for badmouthing the developers (which the majority of people in this thread seem rather happy to do - again, not directed at you), ESPECIALLY not when they're already working on fixing the incompatibilities.
 
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2010-07-23 , 07:13
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#423
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
so actually it should be titan's work to make his kernel compatible to stock one...
As far as I know, not in this case, as the problem seems to be a script checking for the kernel version which simply does not include custom kernels.
 

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2010-07-23 , 07:17
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#424
Originally Posted by maxximuscool View Post
Seriously how long will it takes for TOMORROW to come? Tomorrow from nokia is may be next month or next year.
???

Just because some people feel underwhelmed by Nokia finally listening to our pleads to open source access to some of the hardware doesn't mean that the FCam news don't qualify as "exciting news"...
 

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#425
Originally Posted by Nathraiben View Post
???

Just because some people feel underwhelmed by Nokia finally listening to our pleads to open source access to some of the hardware doesn't mean that the FCam news don't qualify as "exciting news"...
Not that exciting Fcam take quite low quality picture at the moment. It still got a long way to go before it can surpassing the already Camera app. But it might be way more advanced with all the manual focus and customising Love the manual camera.

It would be very greatest news if NOkia released the source code for DSP and many other drivers. So NITdroid can use it and also MeeGO.
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2010-07-23 , 07:59
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Originally Posted by maxximuscool View Post
Not that exciting Fcam take quite low quality picture at the moment.
FCam != FCamera

The latter "only" being a proof-of-concept for the API itself.

(Btw, for me FCamera makes better pictures than the vanilla application...)

Originally Posted by maxximuscool View Post
It would be very greatest news if NOkia released the source code for DSP and many other drivers. So NITdroid can use it and also MeeGO.
No, it would be the greatest news if Nokia paid me €5000 each month for using their devices.

Until then, making it possible - by providing an API for a formerly completely closed part - to replace one of the system applications that has been criticised the most is good enough for me.
 
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2010-07-23 , 08:19
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
what if titan made his kernel in a way that everything except three random apps crash once in a hour?

so actually it should be titan's work to make his kernel compatible to stock one...
Titan's kernel is proven to be quite compatible as FCam is the first one I've heard that fail using his kernel. We both do not know which end the fault lies. As an end user, I just want it to work regardless of who is at fault. I'm sure same goes for the FCam developer and titan as well. So I think we'll probably end up with a fix soon.

It'll be interesting to compare stock camera, FCam and BlessN900 outputs of the same scene.
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#428
Originally Posted by jakiman View Post
Titan's kernel is proven to be quite compatible as FCam is the first one I've heard that fail using his kernel.
none of this matters. apps etc will be developed to stock kernel. it is up to you if you want either stock kernel or possible problems with certain apps.
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2010-07-23 , 08:54
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I'm a dev if I was writing a kernel module like the fcam devs have done. I would target and release it for the stock kernel. I wouldn't even bother trying to get it to work on Titan's or anyone elses custom kernel.

You call yourself power users, why don't you pull the source and compile it yourselves... That is what it means to be a power user. Stop *****ing and start being productive.

Also, I can't believe that a load of you are so ignorant to install a custom kernel and not even know how to go back to the stock one. That just strikes me as really idiotic.
 

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really this is the big news ' i don't even know what the hell they are talking about ! then again i'm just a regular user don't know all about that stuff .
 
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