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2012-02-20 , 22:24
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#421
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
maybe it is only good that maemo was killed, there is no way integrating a community that has such members with normal people.

I cannot believe myself that I could ever never say something such like this: I won't be missing you. My opinions are moving to the direction that if I keep visiting here much more, I'd probably be able to put my name under this thing from the past (those who don't know what happened then: you are probably the reason for the change of my mind. I really loved ITT and tmo at first but now....)

http://wiki.maemo.org/A_message_to_the_Maemo_Community
Your opinions are not moving towards that of qwerty12 it's moving away from it, since you seem to be pro-Nokia and in favour of the move to an even more closed system. The only way you are moving towards it is that you are losing your cool in much the same way and insulting others.

There is no need to get angry if somebody asks for Elops resignation. I understand and agree with you that it's non-constructive and that it's meaningless but keep your calm. The death of maemo has nothing to do with the community and expressing an opinion on a forum does not make anybody any less normal. I happened to agree with most of qwerty12s critcism which was unfortunatly and unnecessarily laced in insults and personal attacks, justified or otherwise.
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2012-02-20 , 23:45
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#422
thats life, pro and cons, black and white, can we blend it? and sit together enjoy it?
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2012-02-21 , 10:45
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#423
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
buy lumia and competitor and see. oh, you could also use the internet for researching concerning the issue, but that could be way too complicated for most of the people here nowadays...
Those researching won't be the idiots buying a WP device.
 
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2012-02-21 , 10:49
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#424
Originally Posted by kureyon View Post
What if they gave a free N9 with every lumia - that should work
And then Ebay would have more business than Nokia.
 
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2012-02-21 , 10:54
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#425
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
That 1,9% are the phones nokia/microsoft sent out to developer. So interms of real customers it is about 0,0%
1.89% out of that 1.9% is WinMo.
 
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2012-02-21 , 12:08
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#426
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
maybe it is only good that maemo was killed, there is no way integrating a community that has such members with normal people.

I cannot believe myself that I could ever never say something such like this: I won't be missing you. My opinions are moving to the direction that if I keep visiting here much more, I'd probably be able to put my name under this thing from the past (those who don't know what happened then: you are probably the reason for the change of my mind. I really loved ITT and tmo at first but now....)

http://wiki.maemo.org/A_message_to_the_Maemo_Community

where is the thanks button!!! i hate nokia, i wish theyre burn and sinking, theyre stupid enough to listening, theyre never satisfying their loyal consumer!!!
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2012-02-21 , 12:19
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#427
Originally Posted by patlak View Post
1.89% out of that 1.9% is WinMo.
IMHO, wouldn't be THAT crazy to assume. Look at all the devices used in logistics etc.
 
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2012-02-21 , 13:06
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Originally Posted by don_falcone View Post
IMHO, wouldn't be THAT crazy to assume. Look at all the devices used in logistics etc.
Of course, it is crazy to assume that. But, there are definitely WinMo devices in there. HD2 sold quite a lot, and to be honest, I only saw 3 WP devices so far in the past year.
 
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2012-02-21 , 13:18
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#429
Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles is TRUE..
salesmen should either be doing a pole-dance to sell this phone on should put hands in customers pocket and sell them forcefully even if no one likes the technology and "they are doing neither if these"..

"Of course they should be blamed"
 
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2012-02-23 , 08:28
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
I guess you are right, perhaps it would have been the better course of action, but I'm not concerned about a ban. The article author and editor which replied were not the same so his job wasn't really on the line. The author shall remain nameless just in case his job truly is at risk (which I doubt). If merely posting a correction did cause upset the person or I could easily delete the post afterwards anyway.

I'm not sure why such a reaction can be considered ordinary though. If I cannot expect an editor to suppress their emotions and not abuse their power when addressing a courteous correction then there is no reason for me to expect them to suppress their emotions and abuse of power when trying to write an impartial article. Then again, now that you mention it, it does make sense with Engadget and I should have known the outcome.
It's probably also a matter of feeling secure in your professional qualifications, too. I'm a geekier-than-thou freaking nerd--big time! When someone at work points out a bug or a flaw in my work, I get excited and I look at them as an opportunity to improve or to remember not to make the same mistake again. I encourage corrections and bug reports. Ultimately, it makes me look good in the end. Not everyone thinks that way and they sometimes snap at people that point out their flaws. In other contexts outside of work or computers, I might exhibit the same behavior--it's a natural human reaction.

Just feel bad for the guy and move on. It's just kind of unfortunate that they reacted that way instead of considering it as errata for improvement.


Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
maybe it is only good that maemo was killed, there is no way integrating a community that has such members with normal people.

I cannot believe myself that I could ever never say something such like this: I won't be missing you. My opinions are moving to the direction that if I keep visiting here much more, I'd probably be able to put my name under this thing from the past (those who don't know what happened then: you are probably the reason for the change of my mind. I really loved ITT and tmo at first but now....)

http://wiki.maemo.org/A_message_to_the_Maemo_Community
Cue is right: Aside from all the vitriol and filth in his message, Qwerty was bang-on with his ranting assessment. Sadly, it's as if people take it personally if you criticize the brand they bought. I wish for the best but I don't hold my breath for long. I've said it from the start: I'm not married to any brand--I'll go to whatever platform provides me with what I want. I've done very well by that philosophy and I happily move on once the brand/platform fails me. It's just business anyway. In the end, the company doesn't care about me--why should I care about the company? The pragmatic among us have already seen the writing on the wall and begun dipping our toes in the waters of other lakes and we've discovered that some of them are far more satisfactory after Nokia stopped trying to cater to the customers and began to filthy their own water. Sitting in that filthy water and claiming it's better is stubborn and isn't particularly convincing to even the mildly astute.
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