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2013-09-13
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#432
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide
N900 case has slider, so we need to use slider
Switches: would you consider miniature toggle switch, or rocker switch, in place of slider? Whichever is easier to use, and lives-works for longer. Maybe, piezo switch for easier water-dust-proofing...
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
>>FM receiver/transmitter option with RDS (that is rare)<<. What do you see on N900 regarding FM? What did I write in post #1 about feature-completeness?
Also, has it been mentioned whether Neo900 will (hopefully, yes) include FM transceiver?
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
We're planning to make as many antenna connectors as possible available via holes you need to drill into the N900 case when you want to use them.
Will it be capable of using an external antenna for any of the radio-chips: FM, GPS, GSM, Bluetooth, WiFi - and how easy will it be?
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
What do you see on N900 regarding camera-trigger? What did I write in post #1 about feature-completeness?
Will you be able to get camera hardware button with half-press for focus? It's very comfortable to use, but unfortunately, many "modern" phones have no hardware buttons for camera at all.
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
I think I added all relevant details in post#1 already.
Please, add relevant details to the Opening Post of the thread. I regularly re-read it.
Best wishes.
/jOERG
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2013-09-13
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#433
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide
Frankly, I'm one of people that like hardware slider for locking, very much. Of course, I wouldn't cry if it would be replaced by something, but lets consider user habits too. There should be a nice reason to force us to change it - like, parts availability/price, or, mentioned dust-proof characteristic, if it really does work more reliably than current design.
Switches: would you consider miniature toggle switch, or rocker switch, in place of slider? Whichever is easier to use, and lives-works for longer. Maybe, piezo switch for easier water-dust-proofing...
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
It was quoted by many users as absolutely-must-have, so I hope yes. I suspect, that parts availability is still evaluated, though.
Also, has it been mentioned whether Neo900 will (hopefully, yes) include FM transceiver?
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
GTA04 in current form have connectors for external antennas, at least for GSM and WiFi, if I remember specs correctly. I mentioned this some pages ago (that the more radios get external connectors, the better - preferably, all of them), and, considering negligible costs of it and philosophy of not crippling features that we already have, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't make it
Will it be capable of using an external antenna for any of the radio-chips: FM, GPS, GSM, Bluetooth, WiFi
(Maybe Neo900 will correct me on this one, but for once, I hope they won't feel free to do it :P )
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
Good point, and without hardware button for camera, kittens would die. I hope that half-press for focus will be kept as feature parity with N900
Will you be able to get camera hardware button with half-press for focus? It's very comfortable to use, but unfortunately, many "modern" phones have no hardware buttons for camera at all.
/Estel
// edit
Gah, ninjaed again
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2013-09-14
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#435
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Originally Posted by PWN900
I guess it will, just as N900 (actually: OMAP3430) is. Maybe on DM3730 it even works
Will the neo900 be equipt with a core temp. sensor? I apolize if i missed discussion on this matter.
See TI's TRM for DM3730 for details.
Anyway for your planned overclocking any such sensor is *absolutely* useless since the problem with OC in OMAP is *not* about heat in core. It's electromigration (see wikipedia) that kills the chip, not equally spread heat.
There also are microscopic hotspots known in chipdesign, that very locally heat up the chip way more than you'd assume from any averaging temperature sensor, and those hotspots also come and go during milliseconds and will not have any influence whatsoever on the heat sensor.
bottom line: trying to outsmart the chip designers is usually a very silly idea.
/j
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Last edited by joerg_rw; 2013-09-14 at 02:36.
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2013-09-14
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#436
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Little off-topic, just to sum it up - people tend to bring habits from desktop PC's to embedded systems overclocking. Adding to it, that x86 != ARM, we result in many urban myths about how to attempt serious overclocking for devices like N900 or Neo900. It's just wrong way of doing it.
I have no idea what overclocking potential DM3730 have, or if will be as reliable (aka practically undestroyable) for OC as current N900's chip. I'll be delighted to check it - If you're interested in OC like me, please - be safe and learn about it, it would be shame to damage a ~700 euro device, just because you approach it the same way, like your desktop PC. It's different beast.[/OT]
/Estel
I have no idea what overclocking potential DM3730 have, or if will be as reliable (aka practically undestroyable) for OC as current N900's chip. I'll be delighted to check it - If you're interested in OC like me, please - be safe and learn about it, it would be shame to damage a ~700 euro device, just because you approach it the same way, like your desktop PC. It's different beast.[/OT]
/Estel
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2013-09-14
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#437
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362 votes
>=700€: 50 votes, plus all the "hidden" ones (meanwhile must be ~10 at least)
Of course in any such poll the momentum vanishes after a few days, but we still see new votes. I'm not sure though if it ever would eventually reach the 200 "preorder" threshold. Let's hope next week brings news from Nikolaus, maybe even some nice photos about setting-up GTA04 gear dummies inside N900 case, and we can pick up momentum again with that.
/j
>=700€: 50 votes, plus all the "hidden" ones (meanwhile must be ~10 at least)
Of course in any such poll the momentum vanishes after a few days, but we still see new votes. I'm not sure though if it ever would eventually reach the 200 "preorder" threshold. Let's hope next week brings news from Nikolaus, maybe even some nice photos about setting-up GTA04 gear dummies inside N900 case, and we can pick up momentum again with that.
/j
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2013-09-15
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#438
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So put me down for at least one and I will have to figure out how to finance it without triggering a divorce. Reality is I have spent more on a succession of N900s including my current two. I only need bare boards though, I have six N900 cases including my two working phones though I might need screws.
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2013-09-15
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#439
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Wow joerg_rw thats great thermodynamic concept thanks for bringing that to my attention. It's great to have applyiable concepts to think about on this project
Last edited by PWN900; 2013-09-15 at 05:45.
Last edited by PWN900; 2013-09-15 at 05:45.
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2013-09-15
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#440
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Originally Posted by Estel
Do forgive my new found hobby for arm cortex to be on the ignorant side i was very much coming in to this project with very similar concepts as you might apply to your average pc. All together your comments give me a better idea of how to approach the situation. = When i need to process lots ARP data time counts, do forgive.
Little off-topic, just to sum it up - people tend to bring habits from desktop PC's to embedded systems overclocking. Adding to it, that x86 != ARM, we result in many urban myths about how to attempt serious overclocking for devices like N900 or Neo900. It's just wrong way of doing it.
I have no idea what overclocking potential DM3730 have, or if will be as reliable (aka practically undestroyable) for OC as current N900's chip. I'll be delighted to check it - If you're interested in OC like me, please - be safe and learn about it, it would be shame to damage a ~700 euro device, just because you approach it the same way, like your desktop PC. It's different beast.[/OT]
/Estel
Last edited by PWN900; 2013-09-15 at 06:08.
Also, has it been mentioned whether Neo900 will (hopefully, yes) include FM transceiver? Will it be capable of using an external antenna for any of the radio-chips: FM, GPS, GSM, Bluetooth, WiFi - and how easy will it be?
Will you be able to get camera hardware button with half-press for focus? It's very comfortable to use, but unfortunately, many "modern" phones have no hardware buttons for camera at all.
Please, add relevant details to the Opening Post of the thread. I regularly re-read it.
Best wishes.